carry concealed guns in Colorado without a permit passes house 40-25

[classy]

Totally agree. Firearm safety and training should be mandatory in high school.

Why should kids have to sit through a gun class, because you are so sorry that you need a gun to compensate. Sometimes dude just stfu..................seriously.

 

[OCGuy]

Good. The more armed people the better.

 

[classy]

Good. The more armed people the better.

If the right people were being knocked off I would be all for it.

 

[spidey07]

Why should kids have to sit through a gun class, because you are so sorry that you need a gun to compensate. Sometimes dude just stfu..................seriously.

Because lack of firearm safety has killed a whole lot of people. "accidental discharge" doesn't really happen, it's somebody being unsafe with a firearm. Normally by allowing the barrel to cover something not intended to be destroyed and pulling the trigger.

 

[OCGuy]

If the right people were being knocked off I would be all for it.

The right people generally do knock each other off. Most of the shootings are gang members from South America shooting at each other or blacks.

The problem is they reproduce, and our borders are porous, so there is no shortage of those idiots.

 

[Scotteq]

The right people generally do knock each other off. Most of the shootings are gang members from South America shooting at each other or blacks.

The problem is they reproduce, and our borders are porous, so there is no shortage of those idiots.

Classy has stated earlier in this thread that those are not the right people:

Having a serious discussion, these people were not criminals though. Thats the problem. I have said for years, the criminals, from the hood (bad people in general), are always going to commit crimes with guns. That is not going to change. The problem we have, is not them, is the everyday person, who now is armed and for whatever reason shoots somebody or unfortunately several people. That is the real issue. How do keep law abiding people from becoming gun slingers. We are losing that battle. Clearly losing.....................

 

[classy]

The right people generally do knock each other off. Most of the shootings are gang members from South America shooting at each other or blacks.

The problem is they reproduce, and our borders are porous, so there is no shortage of those idiots.

Yea but they aren't shooting up the local mall. At political rallies. Blowing the brains out of children because they are mouthy. Shooting up schools because someone called them weird. Maybe the ones who are doing these things are the ones who really need to stop breeding.

 

[Scotteq]

Yea but they aren't shooting up the local mall. At political rallies. Blowing the brains out of children because they are mouthy. Shooting up schools because someone called them weird. Maybe the ones who are doing these things are the ones who really need to stop breeding.

Why are you so racist that you believe killing a white child in a school or mall is somehow a worse crime than a gang member killing another gang member over a drug deal or because that individual happened to be present on the "wrong" street corner?

What - Just because the newspapers don't print it, you buy into the notion that the sh*t they do print is somehow worse?


I should think that a Brother would be more upset about Brother on Brother violence. But I guess them's the breaks: Once you move out of the 'hood, you don't have to care any more, right? So it's better to disarm your neighbors so that you don't have to be confronted with what you guys are doing to your own. :\

 

[bfdd]

No. Have you looked at places like the UK, France, Germany and Japan lately?

Those aren't the United States though. They have a completely different history dealing with firearms than we do as well. Pulling up comparisons for gun laws from other countries doesn't work.

 

[Munky]

Yea but they aren't shooting up the local mall. At political rallies. Blowing the brains out of children because they are mouthy. Shooting up schools because someone called them weird. Maybe the ones who are doing these things are the ones who really need to stop breeding.

The law makes it very clear when one is or isn't allowed to use a gun, as anyone who has taken a training course should know. In my state, you can only discharge a firearm if:

1) You have strong reason to believe your life is in danger, or
2) You know with absolute certainty that someone else's life is in danger.


So, drop your "gunslinger" nonsense, because no law-abiding citizen is gonna pull out a gun and start enforcing vigilante justice, wild wild west reenactments, or other such BS as you're proposing. And as far as the ridiculous crimes you listed above, the criminals will use guns no matter what the law says. Now tell me - is a criminal more or less likely to use a gun if he knows any number of his targets can just as easily be packing guns?

 

[bfdd]

Having a serious discussion, these people were not criminals though. Thats the problem. I have said for years, the criminals, from the hood (bad people in general), are always going to commit crimes with guns. That is not going to change. The problem we have, is not them, is the everyday person, who now is armed and for whatever reason shoots somebody or unfortunately several people. That is the real issue. How do keep law abiding people from becoming gun slingers. We are losing that battle. Clearly losing.....................

So because you don't live in the hood, others who do should have their rights taken away because you have some irrational fear of being shot in the mall? What's to stop that from happening now? That's right nothing. If we ban guns, what will stop someone from killing a bunch of people for no reason out of the blue? Nothing.

 

[BoberFett]

Those aren't the United States though. They have a completely different history dealing with firearms than we do as well. Pulling up comparisons for gun laws from other countries doesn't work.

Not to mention that including Japan and Germany means including countries with histories of banning weapons as a part of totalitarian control and oppression.

 

[classy]

Why are you so racist that you believe killing a white child in a school or mall is somehow a worse crime than a gang member killing another gang member over a drug deal or because that individual happened to be present on the "wrong" street corner?

What - Just because the newspapers don't print it, you buy into the notion that the sh*t they do print is somehow worse?


I should think that a Brother would be more upset about Brother on Brother violence. But I guess them's the breaks: Once you move out of the 'hood, you don't have to care any more, right? So it's better to disarm your neighbors so that you don't have to be confronted with what you guys are doing to your own. :\

I am very upset about black on black crime. I have buried several and got a handful of others either doing life and one who is about get life in prison. And I do mean life. But the discussion is not about black crime or white crime. Let me one more time try to lay this out clearly. I am not against guns, quite the contrary actually.

But here is my argument and always has been. You got the gunslingers on one side and the gun grabbers on the other. Then there are those like me, in the middle. OCCguy the pissy clown that he is decides to make this law about illegals and blacks. Well its not.

Here is the issue, we have strong voices of two groups, one who who believe more guns are the answer. Who completely are comatose to dozens and dozens are shootings happening across the country everyday. Tragic stuff. Shootings that don't involve bad people. Its neighbors who are truly friends who in the heat of the moment turn to a gun.

Now many will say but those are the exceptions. I have posted countless times numbers from the FBI and CDC that have shown clearly that a gun 8 out 10 times will not be used to kill an intruder or criminal. But instead a family member or friend. Idiots like OCCguy would have folks believe they have to be armed to protect against some mean black person, but then in the paper you read where the son shot his school friends.

The same brain dead folks like OCCguy are the same ones who want less regulation and thinly enforced laws. They overlook the 31 dead at VA tech. It these ones with better laws and stricter regulations we might be able to save.

On the other side we have the gun grabbers who want to strip away all guns, which is wrong. Maybe a worse idea than the gunslingers desire of a wild wild west.

People like myself in the middle realize we have a problem with weapons being in the wrong hands to often. So something must done. We can say all day guns aren't the issue. Maybe they aren't, but they damn sure have all to often been in the middle of some senseless onslaught.

I advocate common sense. I grew with guns in the house, so I have no problem with guys like Spidey and all of them having the guns. They are responsible. But to pretend that we don't have a problem is just asinine. We have a problem and adding more guns won't help.

 

[classy]

So because you don't live in the hood, others who do should have their rights taken away because you have some irrational fear of being shot in the mall? What's to stop that from happening now? That's right nothing. If we ban guns, what will stop someone from killing a bunch of people for no reason out of the blue? Nothing.

I gave a response, but to answer this, I don't believe in banning guns. But on the other side I don't believe in allowing anybody with no additional background check at all to carry concealed.

 

[Zebo]

Freedom has risks. And it's not guns anyway causing these problems but social issues. Whn people have nothing to lose they lose it. Gotta give em something to lose. Course Spidey and crew anit on board there.

 

[jonks]

ya'll know this means that, gulp, mooslims! can also carry concealed? well don't worry, the police are prepared for anyone looking like a mooslim, with expert tips like "has pointy beard and strokes it while glancing around surreptitiously with narrowed eyes"

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2011/1103.stalcup-craze.html

 

[OCGuy]

The same brain dead folks like OCCguy are the same ones who want less regulation and thinly enforced laws. They overlook the 31 dead at VA tech. It these ones with better laws and stricter regulations we might be able to save.

Who is overlooking VA Tech? If there was somebody armed around, he would have killed much less than 31.

 

[Scotteq]

I am very upset about black on black crime. I have buried several and got a handful of others either doing life and one who is about get life in prison. And I do mean life. But the discussion is not about black crime or white crime. Let me one more time try to lay this out clearly. I am not against guns, quite the contrary actually..

I won't bother to quote your entire post. My response, however, is very simple: I have a very very hard time understanding why you appear to be accepting of the Gang & Drug related violence, which not only is putting an order of magnitude more people in jail or in the morgue and *hugely* disproportinately impacting minorities who already have a difficult enough time... But also which has put your own real life friends and acquaintences into those very places. But instead of railing against the ones who are commiting several orders of magnitude more robberys, rapes, and murders, you wish to limit otherwise law abiding firearms owners - who by and large are not doing those things.

This is completely nonsensical to me, and seems to indicate that not only do you have an exceedingly dim view of (your own) people's ability to control themselves, but also project those views on people who don't engage in those behaviors.

 

[Zebo]

Classys whole premise is off though. We are less violent than ever. He just has cable now and News reporters who make a living scaring us.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Those aren't the United States though. They have a completely different history dealing with firearms than we do as well. Pulling up comparisons for gun laws from other countries doesn't work.

Don't forget, Radical Muslims shot at and killed US service men in Germany today.

How's that gun control working in Europe?

 

[rudeguy]

great news!

MI always mirrors our gun laws after other states. Hopefully this will trickle down to us.

 

[nick1985]

No. Have you looked at places like the UK, France, Germany and Japan lately?

Myth: Britain has strict gun control and a low crime rate

Fact: Since gun banning has escalated in the UK, the rate of crime – especially violent crime – has risen.

http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf



Also, since you mentioned Japan, here is something to think about:

Japan’s murder rate may be low, but its suicide rate is over 20 per 100,000 people. Japanese are being murdered and committing suicide at a rate of about 21 per 100,000. In the U.S., our combined murder and suicide rate is about 21 also.

--Japan data: 1996 Demographic Yearbook, United Nations

 

[classy]

Classys whole premise is off though. We are less violent than ever. He just has cable now and News reporters who make a living scaring us.

LOL
hehehehehehe

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Don't mess with Colorado.

 

[lothar]

Vermont has never had a requirement for a permit, and it's neighbor NY who has about the most ridiculous gun laws (based BTW on political favoritism to give out permits to those who played ball, go figure) has a higher per capita crime rate. We here in the western part of the state tend to not shoot each other because it's considered wrong. Of course in the cities people kill each other with whatever they have. It's more civilized there.

Vermont, supposedly the bastion of "progressives" allows CCW without a permit.
I don't hear much news about people in Vermont slaughtering each other.

The idea that these laws would turn the US into a "Wild Wild West" type situation is highly exaggerated.