Carry a semi-auto handgun in Canada with unsafe storage and...

Flyback

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http://www.thestar.com/News/article/196301

Yay for witch hunts. People need to get over their unreasonable fears.

He didn't hurt anyone whatsoever. Drunk drivers get in less trouble if they don't hit anyone. Why? They are much more dangerous than an immobile gun.

What is further disturbing is that liberals want to completely ban semi-autos in Canada.
 

Witling

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I didn't read the article, but the proposition that you get to carry a gun into Canada, semi-auto or not, with impunity strikes me as a bit arrogant. In crossing into Canada from America the Canadian border guards have ALWAYS asked me if I had a gun. The procedure is to check the gun when you go into Canada and they will arrange for you to be able to pick it up when you leave Canada. I hope we all agree that the Canadians have the right to run their country the way they want to.

EDITED: OK, I read the article. Still seems to me like Canada gets to run their country the way they want to. I sort of have to admire how John Honesty is going to get the same treatment under the law as Sam Lowlife would. Seems to me that's the way it should work.
 

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Originally posted by: Flyback
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/196301

Yay for witch hunts. People need to get over their unreasonable fears.

He didn't hurt anyone whatsoever. Drunk drivers get in less trouble if they don't hit anyone. Why? They are much more dangerous than an immobile gun.

What is further disturbing is that liberals want to completely ban semi-autos in Canada.

A crime to be in possession of a gun. What will they think of next?

Please don't forget that liberal and conservative can have differing meanings depending on the country. It isn't necessarily liberals after guns, its politicians and people who think government should control everything that are anti-gun/anti-freedom
 

Flyback

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Originally posted by: Witling
I didn't read the article, but the proposition that you get to carry a gun into Canada, semi-auto or not, with impunity strikes me as a bit arrogant. In crossing into Canada from America the Canadian border guards have ALWAYS asked me if I had a gun. The procedure is to check the gun when you go into Canada and they will arrange for you to be able to pick it up when you leave Canada. I hope we all agree that the Canadians have the right to run their country the way they want to.

You misread my post. Carrying "in" Canada, not carrying "into" Canada :p
 

Flyback

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: Flyback
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/196301

Yay for witch hunts. People need to get over their unreasonable fears.

He didn't hurt anyone whatsoever. Drunk drivers get in less trouble if they don't hit anyone. Why? They are much more dangerous than an immobile gun.

What is further disturbing is that liberals want to completely ban semi-autos in Canada.

A crime to be in possession of a gun. What will they think of next?

Please don't forget that liberal and conservative can have differing meanings depending on the country. It isn't necessarily liberals after guns, its politicians and people who think government should control everything that are anti-gun/anti-freedom

If you want to see their agenda specifically, check out page 12 of http://www.liberal.ca/pdf/docs/061129_resolutions_en.pdf

BTW I'm Canadian so I'm quite well aware ;)
(I know you meant to inform with good intent, though. Just stating where I am for the record)
 

Witling

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Flyback, I reread. I also edited my reply. I still think Canada gets to do as it sees fit and, as I said in my edited post, I think it's pretty neat that John Honest is getting the same treatment under the law that Sam Lowlife would get. If the guy's a great guy he get's to walk? If he's a lowlife he goes to jail? As they say, what part of "no gun" didn't he understand?
 

Fern

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Yikes!

4 yrs for just HAVING a gun?

I don't see where did anything with it, like a robberly or assualt etc.

Good lord that's draconian.

Fern
 

Kntx

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Unreasonable fears?

LINK

This guy was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun. Completely illegal. Completely unreasonsable thing to do. No reason. No excuse. Unfortunately he probably won't go to jail.
 

desy

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As a Canadian who has firearms and a restricted permit I feel that is appropriate considering our current laws.
You see, getting a restricted license should be hard, harder than it was for me and when you do get the restricted permit you crush those who carry illegal firearms.
Most of the firearm homocides in Canada are A handguns, and B unregistered illegal handguns of which there has been a law since the 1930's that all handguns must be registered.

You don't have to ban semiautomatic handguns for the law abiding. You throw in jail all those who cirumvent the law and then we will see how many drive-bys we get once mearly having an illegal firearm in the car or trunk gets you jail time. I beleive this was how New York was cleaned-up was getting tough on those who used firearms in the commision of crimes.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Kntx
Unreasonable fears?

LINK

This guy was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun. Completely illegal. Completely unreasonsable thing to do. No reason. No excuse. Unfortunately he probably won't go to jail.

Are we reading the same story?

Macdonald has found Egonu guilty of possession of a restricted firearm ? which carries a one-year minimum sentence ? and unsafe storage of a firearm. Egonu will be sentenced today.

It was simple possession, not concealed carry.

Fern
 

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Originally posted by: Kntx
Unreasonable fears?

LINK

This guy was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun. Completely illegal. Completely unreasonsable thing to do. No reason. No excuse. Unfortunately he probably won't go to jail.

??? what guy?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Kntx
Unreasonable fears?

LINK

This guy was arrested for carrying a concealed handgun. Completely illegal. Completely unreasonsable thing to do. No reason. No excuse. Unfortunately he probably won't go to jail.

Wait? Why are you linking a completely different story?
 

Kntx

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OP said that people need to get over their "unreasonable fears". The story I linked shows that fear of people carring firearms is certainly not unreasonable.

The guy from story the OP posted "This guy" as I stated. Was arrested for having an unregistered restricted firearm in his bag.

Story mentions he was arrested for possesion of restricted firearm. Fair enough. My mistake. However, had they caught him another time and place, he's carrying that gun.

Clear??
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Kntx
OP said that people need to get over their "unreasonable fears". The story I linked shows that fear of people carring firearms is certainly not unreasonable.

The guy from story the OP posted "This guy" as I stated. Was arrested for having an unregistered restricted firearm in his bag.

Story mentions he was arrested for possesion of restricted firearm. Fair enough. My mistake. However, had they caught him another time and place, he's carrying that gun.

Clear??

Yes, it is still an unreasonable fear of firearms. You should be scared of the nutjob that goes around killing people, not a gun.

If I was carrying my firearm, and some whacko started shooting people, I would drop him in a heartbeat. I bet the people in your link would have been much better off if there was someone there to shoot the guy when he first started going crazy.
 

Kntx

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Kntx
OP said that people need to get over their "unreasonable fears". The story I linked shows that fear of people carring firearms is certainly not unreasonable.

The guy from story the OP posted "This guy" as I stated. Was arrested for having an unregistered restricted firearm in his bag.

Story mentions he was arrested for possesion of restricted firearm. Fair enough. My mistake. However, had they caught him another time and place, he's carrying that gun.

Clear??

Yes, it is still an unreasonable fear of firearms. You should be scared of the nutjob that goes around killing people, not a gun.

If I was carrying my firearm, and some whacko started shooting people, I would drop him in a heartbeat. I bet the people in your link would have been much better off if there was someone there to shoot the guy when he first started going crazy.

Ok, fear of firearms? An inanimate object. I agree, no one is scared of an idle gun. Scared of people with guns? Not unreasonable.

Did you even read the story?? It wasn't a guy. It was a gun battle. On boxing day, beside the mall, with hundreds of people around.

Get involved in a gun battle on major street with hundreds of people around? You go to prison. Byebye.


 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Kntx
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Kntx
OP said that people need to get over their "unreasonable fears". The story I linked shows that fear of people carring firearms is certainly not unreasonable.

The guy from story the OP posted "This guy" as I stated. Was arrested for having an unregistered restricted firearm in his bag.

Story mentions he was arrested for possesion of restricted firearm. Fair enough. My mistake. However, had they caught him another time and place, he's carrying that gun.

Clear??

Yes, it is still an unreasonable fear of firearms. You should be scared of the nutjob that goes around killing people, not a gun.

If I was carrying my firearm, and some whacko started shooting people, I would drop him in a heartbeat. I bet the people in your link would have been much better off if there was someone there to shoot the guy when he first started going crazy.

Ok, fear of firearms? An inanimate object. I agree, no one is scared of an idle gun. Scared of people with guns? Not unreasonable.

Did you even read the story?? It wasn't a guy. It was a gun battle. On boxing day, beside the mall, with hundreds of people around.

Get involved in a gun battle on major street with hundreds of people around? You go to prison. Byebye.

So you take one incident and use that to have a fear of everyone that carries a firearm?
 

Kntx

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One incident? Google gun deaths, gun incidents, gun fights, people wounded by guns. You'll find something for every day of the year.

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Kntx
One incident? Google gun deaths, gun incidents, gun fights, people wounded by guns. You'll find something for every day of the year.

Would you consider that a problem with guns or a problem with those people?

Also, I'd be curious to see how many of those crimes are committed by people with a registered gun and a CCW permit.
 

Kntx

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People problem. Specifically people who carry guns in cities.

The point is, the fellow in the article referenced by the OP had an unregistered, restricted firearm in his gym bag.

You want to own a gun? Follow the rules. No slipups.

Do the crime, do the time.

 

Flyback

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Originally posted by: Kntx
People problem. Specifically people who carry guns in cities.

The point is, the fellow in the article referenced by the OP had an unregistered, restricted firearm in his gym bag.

You want to own a gun? Follow the rules. No slipups.

Do the crime, do the time.

No one is disputing that the individual broke the law. He did, and should therefore face penalty.

The concern most rational people--those who don't have an unreasonable fear of guns have--is that the call to jail him for 3-4 years is simply out of line, even after having reported that he is a model student.

A gun in the bag does not equate this guy with the Boxing Day shootout and it is simply absurd to think that because he is a black male with a gun that he intended to do such. Why else would you reference the Boxing Day article, if that wasn't the angle you intended to play?

People need to get over their fear of guns.

Of course he should face punishment! But 3-4 years? That is outright stupidity. You get less for manslaughter in Canada if you're a youth. Guns are vilified beyond need.

As anyone who lives in Toronto can attest, the area where York University (his school) is located is one of the worst areas in Canada. Jane-Weston, Jane-Finch.. that whole corridor... there are shootings there almost every weekend in the summer. Add to that the assaults that happen on campus... it could have been for self-defense, and, given that he is reported a model student I wouldn't assume that it was gang-related.