I'd like to hear your opinions on these two geniuses. Do you guys think John Romero was better at PC games vs. handheld games? And we all know John Carmack will go down in history but who do you like more? This is just something I'm really curious about. As you may be able to tell, I'm crazy about id Software. I think they are a group of the coolest people on Earth.
Carmack vs. Romero. Who do you like more?
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Didn't Romero make Daikatana? From what I remember that game wasn't all that impressive. Carmack on the other hand is the Doom 3 guy!
Without Carmack, there probably wouldn't be Quake... or Doom... etc. Yeah Romero did some stuff... but he didn't have a major part in it. And as for Daikatana... Sorry, I do not like that game...! :Q
For their impact on the industry I'd say I favor Carmack, as he's developed some relatively innovative engines that have achieved quite some success.
For the most part he's had a positive influence on a few hardware vendors also.
On the basis of their games... well I can't honestly say I've ever given a damn one way or another about any of the games either has been involved in the production of.
For the most part he's had a positive influence on a few hardware vendors also.
On the basis of their games... well I can't honestly say I've ever given a damn one way or another about any of the games either has been involved in the production of.
Heh, nah, I like them both. I think Romero is cool since he replies to fans (at times). Since I've sent him my fifth email he hasn't replied so I got kinda mad. But John Carmack is just all around cool for as "nerdy" as he is. I mean if you've looked at his part time aerospace company, you can really see his intelligence put to work. He made a 3D lander program in MFC which works with my Sidewinder controller. It's pretty sweet since the physics are perfect. He's awesome period. I wanted to go Quakecon this year but it doesn't look like I'll be gettin enough cash by then. I wanted to see if everyone from id could autograph my DOOM shirt. I heard they're supposed to be walking around during the whole game fest. But anyways, id rox.
I have nothing against Romero, I don't know much of him either. except he worked for Ion Storm..Dues Ex.. and he also did Daikatana.
but
CARMACK THA MAN!!!!!!
but
CARMACK THA MAN!!!!!!
Carmack because
Daikatana, Daikatana, and Daikatana.
Romero is a joke.
And have you seen Stevie Case real picture in pcgamer mag?
She is mad ugly.
Daikatana, Daikatana, and Daikatana.
Romero is a joke.
And have you seen Stevie Case real picture in pcgamer mag?
She is mad ugly.
I hate Romero because he has my Stevie Case
scottrico - Are you talking about the pic at the last page? I think she is hot there
Carmack is an amazing programmer... I wonder what would happen if he went into the OS market Just imagine, idOS
scottrico - Are you talking about the pic at the last page? I think she is hot there
Carmack is an amazing programmer... I wonder what would happen if he went into the OS market
Just imagine, idOS Romero basically helped make good gameplay, especially Doom.
Without Carmack's engine, the gameplay may not have been the same without the high quality engine.
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Without Carmack's engine, the gameplay may not have been the same without the high quality engine.
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Can't say "like" is the right word.
More like respect, and in that case, Carmack wins by a long shot.
His engines have always been top notch, in terms of technology as well as implementation.
That is, they always look good, include new technologies, and they do it real good.
They're fast, work well on most hardware, and the networking code is amazing.
More like respect, and in that case, Carmack wins by a long shot.
His engines have always been top notch, in terms of technology as well as implementation.
That is, they always look good, include new technologies, and they do it real good.
They're fast, work well on most hardware, and the networking code is amazing.
For Carmack: Without his engines, we wouldn't have had Wolf3D, Doom, Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3 and eventually Doom 3, plus the games built on those engines. No Carmack means no Half-Life, Soldier of Fortune 1/2, Elite Force, MOHAA, Hexen, Heretic and all the mods that have been created for those games. He has sometimes DRAGGED the PC industry into the future, kicking and screaming, be demanding better driver support, etc. Also, whenever a new Id game drops, the scramble to upgrade PCs makes HW makers happy. (If you say you won't buy whatever it takes to run Doom 3 well, you're lying!)
Against Carmack: At 31, he makes a lot of older guys feel like total slackers. Bagged Anna Kang as the Missus. (Drat.)
For Romero: Was lucky enough to be standing next to some actually talented guys at the right time and scam people into thinking HE was the brains.
Against Romero: Ran Ion Storm-Dallas into the ground with extravagent spending and produced one of the worst games of all time after claiming he was gonna "make us his b*tch". Cash drain on parent Eidos led to the demise of Looking Glass Studios, makers of System Shock 2 and the Thief series.* He turned Stevie Case into a (willing) whore for his game, taking her around to events like E3 and parading her like Pam Anderson - "Hey, like her t*ts? Buy my game!" - the pinup in the Daikatana strat guide was a big hint as to how "good" the game wasn't gonna be.
* To whoever mentioned Deus Ex - Warren Spector created that game at Ion Storm's Austin studio, while Romero destroyed Dallas. Anachronix was supposedly a good game by Tom Hall, but the moment it was released, Eidos pulled the plug, so there were no patches (that I know of) and no Win2K support, so it was basically a wasted effort, thanks to Romero's stupidity.
Winner: John Carmack (by light CENTURIES!)
Against Carmack: At 31, he makes a lot of older guys feel like total slackers. Bagged Anna Kang as the Missus. (Drat.)
For Romero: Was lucky enough to be standing next to some actually talented guys at the right time and scam people into thinking HE was the brains.
Against Romero: Ran Ion Storm-Dallas into the ground with extravagent spending and produced one of the worst games of all time after claiming he was gonna "make us his b*tch". Cash drain on parent Eidos led to the demise of Looking Glass Studios, makers of System Shock 2 and the Thief series.* He turned Stevie Case into a (willing) whore for his game, taking her around to events like E3 and parading her like Pam Anderson - "Hey, like her t*ts? Buy my game!" - the pinup in the Daikatana strat guide was a big hint as to how "good" the game wasn't gonna be.
* To whoever mentioned Deus Ex - Warren Spector created that game at Ion Storm's Austin studio, while Romero destroyed Dallas. Anachronix was supposedly a good game by Tom Hall, but the moment it was released, Eidos pulled the plug, so there were no patches (that I know of) and no Win2K support, so it was basically a wasted effort, thanks to Romero's stupidity.
Winner: John Carmack (by light CENTURIES!)
I read a long article about Romero and the whole history of the Ionstorm and the stormy development of Daikatana etc a couple years ago. Part of what I got out of it was that Romero had reached some level of achievement and was resting on his laurels rather than hussleing. He had a fancy office with all the latest toys, but it didn't seem like he had much direction, focus or ambition. They apparently lost a large portion of the programmers in mass exoduses to other companies at one or two points in time. There was a whole fiasco and some wondered if the much hyped and much delayed Daikatana would ever be released. It finally was released years late, and was a major disappoinment. I think that whole saga has tarnished Romero's image in the eyes of many. That and a series of ad campaignes promising to make gamers his bitch etc...
If Romero is truly a talented programmer and game designer, then he lost his focus somewhere along the way and will have to hussle alot to gain back a reputation.
If Romero is truly a talented programmer and game designer, then he lost his focus somewhere along the way and will have to hussle alot to gain back a reputation.
I think Romero is just someone who has vision but doesn't necessarily have the leadership skills to get everyone inline when the going gets tough. It's easy to make fun of Daikatana, but even Carmack respects his work, he just thought he got a little lazy...........
Whether that's true or not is not for me to decide, as laziness is arguable for anyone.
We all think of the awful "Romero will make you his bitch" ads, but those weren't even his ideas.
He's starting low again, so if he was ever that good, he'll be able to build his way up and show us.
Whether that's true or not is not for me to decide, as laziness is arguable for anyone.
We all think of the awful "Romero will make you his bitch" ads, but those weren't even his ideas.
He's starting low again, so if he was ever that good, he'll be able to build his way up and show us.
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