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Ancalagon44

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Hi everyone,

I want some advice on what to do next regarding studying further and fitting that in with leave and employment and all that.

Okay, before I start, I live in South Africa, so things over here work a little differently to the States. I have a BSc (Honours) in Computer Science, which meant I did a 3 year BSc in Computer Science and information systems, and then did a further year to get my Honours in computer science, which involves graduate level courses and a small research project. That was 2006, I have been working in the industry since then, but want to upskill myself so that I can move forwards in my career.

Since starting a business last year, I've become very interested in IT and business leadership, and I think I have more to offer than just programming. I want to study industrial engineering so that I can move to more of... well a management/solution architecture type role. I gave up my business of game development, having learned a lot from it, and now want to move into more professional, larger projects. Another part of the reason I want to study industrial engineering is so that I wont be limited to just software engineering - it is more of an interdisciplinary course.

A good university in Johannesburg - Wits University - offers a Masters in Industrial Engineering, which comprises 10 graduate courses and a small research project. Of those 10 courses, a lot of the options are (apparently) MBA level finance, management and HR courses. So, I'd want to do some of those too. It is offered part time, and the way it works is that some of the courses involve evening lectures, while others involve what they call block release lectures - you attend lectures from 8:30 till 17:00 every day for a solid week. I think there is also additional practical work after that, and obviously an examination.

Which brings me to the real problem - study and/or annual leave required to attend those block release courses. I want to do 3 courses per semester - I dont think 4 is achievable. In the first semester next year (January to June), I can do two block release courses and 1 evening lecture course. But, that is 10 days of leave.

I can probably get that at my current company, fairly easily, the problem is that I dont want to stay where I am. I signed a 12 month fixed term contract at the beginning of March. So, end of Feb, unless I sign anything else, I am out of here, which would suit me well. However, at least one of the block release courses runs over end of Jan, and probably another in Feb. So, if I give notice that I want to terminate my contract, they would probably deny me my leave.

Why do I want to not stay here? Because I dont think I'm growing here. Its a tiny company that barely does any software development - I am literally the only software developer. There are other database people, some of whom have a programming background, but I am the only one for whom programming is a day job. So, the projects are smaller in scope, which means the experience I gain is of limited value to me.

I've moved around a bit more than I would have liked in my career, so I want to find something that I can stick with for a while. Perhaps it is worth my while staying here for a while? But if I do sign a new contract (permanent or fixed term) in February, what if I want to move on later on next year?

Another possible option is to not get my employer involved, but to save up my annual leave until next year. Then, I give notice middle of Jan, and beg and plead for my leave to not be cancelled - working weekends if I have to. That way, they dont even have to know that I am studying anything.

Cliffs:
1. Have 4 year degree in Computer Science - want to study further part time.
2. Further studying requires lots of leave - employer would give it to me if I became permanent.
3. Dont want to become permanent because I feel my growth is limited here.
 

Kaido

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How long would a signed contract be for? If it's only for a year or two, I'd say do it and get your classes done. If it's like a 5-year contract, can you do even more part-time classes over that time? It sounds like a pretty good opportunity, not many places will let you take a lot of leave time for studies.

Also, are you self-motivated? Can you stay on top of everything and handle work & school at the same time? Even if you finish school & you're still on contract, you can get a lot of self-study in via certificates, training, etc., which could be hugely beneficial for your resume.
 

Ancalagon44

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How long would a signed contract be for? If it's only for a year or two, I'd say do it and get your classes done. If it's like a 5-year contract, can you do even more part-time classes over that time? It sounds like a pretty good opportunity, not many places will let you take a lot of leave time for studies.

Also, are you self-motivated? Can you stay on top of everything and handle work & school at the same time? Even if you finish school & you're still on contract, you can get a lot of self-study in via certificates, training, etc., which could be hugely beneficial for your resume.

Probably another year. There is another thing in my favour, regarding contracts.

I am buying an apartment for myself. Being on contract, I am not part of any company retirement plan or pension fund, which frees up a lot of my income. I want this income so that I can A) pay off my apartment faster, and end up paying less interest, B) use it to pay for studies etc. So, I have already said to my employer that I would okay with continuing on after my contract expires end of Feb. This was about a month ago, before I started thinking of everything.

Because South African companies usually mandate that all permanent employees be a part of the company retirement fund, it is a good excuse for me to opt out and not become permanent, so I could probably get another 1 year contract without too much trouble.

I dont know for certain that the company will be okay with me studying an MEng, but I do know that the company provides up to 10 days of study leave per year, but to permanent employees only. However, I think I can get this as part of my next contract, should I want it.

I think so - I worked on my game for quite a while, just on my own with no one driving me. And I'm more mature now, much more mature than when I was in university. So, I think I can do it. Its just, how?

They are... well not the greatest company I have ever worked for, I wont lie. I think the CEO is quite poor, and unfortunately his leadership has a massive impact.
 

alkemyst

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Meet in the middle. I don't know your country, but that's how it works here.

In the end, self-study at night (it sucks) and in 3/6/12/24 months resume and profit.
 
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