Yes, I was checking out the 8500, and it looks very good. Can't seem to find one over here in the UK new though. Are they still being made? The Ti4200 is available, as a 64mb or 8x 128mb version. I can get Abit, MSI, Gainward. Reason I am contemplating a new card is because I just got FIFA 2003 and don't think my GF2 MX400 32mb will suffice.