Car drifting competitions are pretty boring to watch

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: ailetlvo
I don't know about that. Watch a car twise sideways and then correct itself through various turns is a lot more entertaining than the oval round-a-bout that nascar does.

So watch rally, which is infinitely better than drifting any day of the week.

Drifting = slow way through a paved corner. Waste of perfectly good rubber IMHO.

You only see that on TV. You go watch a rally in person and you only see a car every few minutes on only a couple of turns.

 

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
drifting has nothing in common with racing, it's closer to ice dancing.

Drifting is a legitimate technique and skill in any form of racing. It doesn't matter what you're driving, your back end will slide, and you have to know how to handle it, whether you do it on purpose or not.

No, I disagree. It's still closer to ice dancing, but I won't call it something so effeminate. Doing a full-on drift is never the fastest way to get from point A to point B.

tell that to rally and dirt oval drivers.

edit: also mountain/hill climb (pikes peak)

edit: one more: baja

They have no choice as they are driving on dirt where you need to carry as much speed through a corner as possible because you can't accelerate as quickly due to a lack of traction.

On a paved road the fastest way around the track is not by power sliding through the corners. Besides, you'll eat up tires real quick that way.

I didn't say otherwise, but those are forms of racing, and they drift. As for paved road and all that, they drift all the time, although its not on purpose. If they didn't know how to control thier cars in a drift, they wouldn't be able to race because they'd just wreck whenever they tried to push the limits.

If you think that drifting never happens in a real race, you are sadly mistaken.

Also in motogp/motocross they use a technique called "backing it in" where they kick out thier rear end, essentially drifting the turn. and its not just for show. I saw an x-games motocross race recently where there was a really big concrete element, and they had to race the entire track with slick tires, every single racer used this technique on the pavement, I doubt they would have been doing it if it wasnt the fastest way around the track.

In some situations drifting can be quicker through a turn but does not provide a quicker exit out of a turn. With a maximum traction turn you brake into the turn and once you hit the apex you're accelerating out of the turn. With drifting you have to wait until your rear tires regain traction before you can start accelerating out of the turn.

An example of this are the license test in Gran Turismo. I know it's just a game but it's something to put it in better perspective. With these tests your exit speed out of the turns is crucial for fast times. Go into turns sliding and you can clearly see your times are slower.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: jtvang125In some situations drifting can be quicker through a turn but does not provide a quicker exit out of a turn. With a maximum traction turn you brake into the turn and once you hit the apex you're accelerating out of the turn. With drifting you have to wait until your rear tires regain traction before you can start accelerating out of the turn.

An example of this are the license test in Gran Turismo. I know it's just a game but it's something to put it in better perspective. With these tests your exit speed out of the turns is crucial for fast times. Go into turns sliding and you can clearly see your times are slower.

I understand all of this but what are you trying to say?

 

[neutralizer]

Reminds me that I really hated the drifting races in NFSU.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
drifting has nothing in common with racing, it's closer to ice dancing.

Drifting is a legitimate technique and skill in any form of racing. It doesn't matter what you're driving, your back end will slide, and you have to know how to handle it, whether you do it on purpose or not.

No, I disagree. It's still closer to ice dancing, but I won't call it something so effeminate. Doing a full-on drift is never the fastest way to get from point A to point B.

tell that to rally and dirt oval drivers.

edit: also mountain/hill climb (pikes peak)

edit: one more: baja

All dirt tracks. Dancing, err ... drifting is done on pavement. When was the last time you saw any driver drift when grip was solid? No matter how you slice it, drifting is a lame show on pavement.

 

[MBentz]

Just start watching MotoGP. You'll be a happier person.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: homercles337
All dirt tracks. Dancing, err ... drifting is done on pavement. When was the last time you saw any driver drift when grip was solid? No matter how you slice it, drifting is a lame show on pavement.

All the time, they always try to correct as fast as possible though. Usually.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Sometimes they can be a WHOLE LOT of fun to watch

yeah, I dont even know why the dipshiot got out.

drifting is boring to watch, yeah.

ghost ride the whip.

Lmao that vid is funny. That guy is a dumbass..

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Sometimes they can be a WHOLE LOT of fun to watch

Holy crap! What a fvcking dumbass.

qft

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
drifting has nothing in common with racing, it's closer to ice dancing.

Drifting is a legitimate technique and skill in any form of racing. It doesn't matter what you're driving, your back end will slide, and you have to know how to handle it, whether you do it on purpose or not.

No, I disagree. It's still closer to ice dancing, but I won't call it something so effeminate. Doing a full-on drift is never the fastest way to get from point A to point B.

tell that to rally and dirt oval drivers.

edit: also mountain/hill climb (pikes peak)

edit: one more: baja

They have no choice as they are driving on dirt where you need to carry as much speed through a corner as possible because you can't accelerate as quickly due to a lack of traction.

On a paved road the fastest way around the track is not by power sliding through the corners. Besides, you'll eat up tires real quick that way.

I didn't say otherwise, but those are forms of racing, and they drift. As for paved road and all that, they drift all the time, although its not on purpose. If they didn't know how to control thier cars in a drift, they wouldn't be able to race because they'd just wreck whenever they tried to push the limits.

If you think that drifting never happens in a real race, you are sadly mistaken.

Also in motogp/motocross they use a technique called "backing it in" where they kick out thier rear end, essentially drifting the turn. and its not just for show. I saw an x-games motocross race recently where there was a really big concrete element, and they had to race the entire track with slick tires, every single racer used this technique on the pavement, I doubt they would have been doing it if it wasnt the fastest way around the track.

I never said that it never happens in a real race on paved tracks. I know for a fact that it does. Whenever a driver is pushing a car to its limits he's bound to exceed them from time to time. Watch an F1 driver interview after a qualifying session, he'll tell you all the things he did wrong on his best lap...even the pole sitter. Sliding the car is not the best way to get a fast lap in F1 though and it's murder on the tires but they do do it from time to time when pushing at the limits.

Look, I agree with you that it requires skill, it is entertaining to watch and it's an impressive form of car control but it isn't racing and it isn't the fastest way around a paved track.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Sometimes they can be a WHOLE LOT of fun to watch

:shocked::laugh:

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
drifting has nothing in common with racing, it's closer to ice dancing.

Drifting is a legitimate technique and skill in any form of racing. It doesn't matter what you're driving, your back end will slide, and you have to know how to handle it, whether you do it on purpose or not.

No, I disagree. It's still closer to ice dancing, but I won't call it something so effeminate. Doing a full-on drift is never the fastest way to get from point A to point B.

tell that to rally and dirt oval drivers.

edit: also mountain/hill climb (pikes peak)

edit: one more: baja

They have no choice as they are driving on dirt where you need to carry as much speed through a corner as possible because you can't accelerate as quickly due to a lack of traction.

On a paved road the fastest way around the track is not by power sliding through the corners. Besides, you'll eat up tires real quick that way.

I didn't say otherwise, but those are forms of racing, and they drift. As for paved road and all that, they drift all the time, although its not on purpose. If they didn't know how to control thier cars in a drift, they wouldn't be able to race because they'd just wreck whenever they tried to push the limits.

If you think that drifting never happens in a real race, you are sadly mistaken.

Also in motogp/motocross they use a technique called "backing it in" where they kick out thier rear end, essentially drifting the turn. and its not just for show. I saw an x-games motocross race recently where there was a really big concrete element, and they had to race the entire track with slick tires, every single racer used this technique on the pavement, I doubt they would have been doing it if it wasnt the fastest way around the track.

I never said that it never happens in a real race on paved tracks. I know for a fact that it does. Whenever a driver is pushing a car to its limits he's bound to exceed them from time to time. Watch an F1 driver interview after a qualifying session, he'll tell you all the things he did wrong on his best lap...even the pole sitter. Sliding the car is not the best way to get a fast lap in F1 though and it's murder on the tires but they do do it from time to time when pushing at the limits.

Look, I agree with you that it requires skill, it is entertaining to watch and it's an impressive form of car control but it isn't racing and it isn't the fastest way around a paved track.

I guess we agree on everything except that little bolded part. though its a little contradictory to what you yourself said.

anyway.... wanna suck face(make out)?

I think you just took my post out of context, they were in reply to the people I had previously quoted.

edit: also, racing isn't always about being the fastest, you have to pass, block, and manage your cars condition. except in drag racing

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
drifting has nothing in common with racing, it's closer to ice dancing.

Drifting is a legitimate technique and skill in any form of racing. It doesn't matter what you're driving, your back end will slide, and you have to know how to handle it, whether you do it on purpose or not.

I meant drifting, the "sport", not drifting, the technique.

Drifting, the technique, isn't restricted to the rear end of the car, btw.

Something else, there's a lot of "drifting" technique in NASCAR racing, usually the 4 wheel kind, it just isn't done to the exaggerated level that it is in the new "sport" known as drifting.

And since a lot of people have mentioned drifting on dirt, the king of sliding on dirt are sprint cars, and dirt track motorcycles. Rally cars drift at maybe 90 mph tops, usually much slower. Winged sprint cars, and super-modifieds, drift at way over 100 mph. Up to 140 mph.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
drifting has nothing in common with racing, it's closer to ice dancing.

Drifting is a legitimate technique and skill in any form of racing. It doesn't matter what you're driving, your back end will slide, and you have to know how to handle it, whether you do it on purpose or not.

I meant drifting, the "sport", not drifting, the technique.

Drifting, the technique, isn't restricted to the rear end of the car, btw.

I know, and, I know.

 

[randay]

edit: meh at this point im just argueing for the hell of it, ignore me. nm

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
Something else, there's a lot of "drifting" technique in NASCAR racing, usually the 4 wheel kind, it just isn't done to the exaggerated level that it is in the new "sport" known as drifting.

And since a lot of people have mentioned drifting on dirt, the king of sliding on dirt are sprint cars, and dirt track motorcycles. Rally cars drift at maybe 90 mph tops, usually much slower. Winged sprint cars, and super-modifieds, drift at way over 100 mph. Up to 140 mph.

You seem to be contradicting your first post, where you state that drifting has nothing in common with racing. "Drifting competetions" are not races, they are contests, but I think they have something in common with racing.

Again, in my first post, when I said drifting, I was talking about drifting, the "sport", not the technique.


Buy you are right, I shouldn't have said "nothing" in common.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: randay
I guess we agree on everything except that little bolded part. though its a little contradictory to what you yourself said.

anyway.... wanna suck face(make out)?

I think you just took my post out of context, they were in reply to the people I had previously quoted.

edit: also, racing isn't always about being the fastest, you have to pass, block, and manage your cars condition. except in drag racing

That depends, are you a hot chick over the age of 18? :laugh: If not, then no.

Blocking is illegal in Formula One. You can defend your racing line once but you cannot keep diving around to block someone overtaking you nor can you hold up faster cars if you're about to be lapped.

Racing is about winning. Second place is just the first loser.

 

[randay]

If you're not first you're last!
shake 'n bake!

 

[bigfil]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Sometimes they can be a WHOLE LOT of fun to watch

yeah, I dont even know why the dipshiot got out.

drifting is boring to watch, yeah.

ghost ride the whip.

Lmao that vid is funny. That guy is a dumbass..

example of how to not ghost ride the whip
:laugh:

 

[sniperruff]

i think this is more exciting

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7404603322560055094&q=hot+version

and drifting is all about being able to control the car on its edge... at least the fast kinds that you see in that video, not the staged one.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: jtvang125

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Tom
drifting has nothing in common with racing, it's closer to ice dancing.

Drifting is a legitimate technique and skill in any form of racing. It doesn't matter what you're driving, your back end will slide, and you have to know how to handle it, whether you do it on purpose or not.

No, I disagree. It's still closer to ice dancing, but I won't call it something so effeminate. Doing a full-on drift is never the fastest way to get from point A to point B.

tell that to rally and dirt oval drivers.

edit: also mountain/hill climb (pikes peak)

edit: one more: baja

They have no choice as they are driving on dirt where you need to carry as much speed through a corner as possible because you can't accelerate as quickly due to a lack of traction.

On a paved road the fastest way around the track is not by power sliding through the corners. Besides, you'll eat up tires real quick that way.

I didn't say otherwise, but those are forms of racing, and they drift. As for paved road and all that, they drift all the time, although its not on purpose. If they didn't know how to control thier cars in a drift, they wouldn't be able to race because they'd just wreck whenever they tried to push the limits.

If you think that drifting never happens in a real race, you are sadly mistaken.

Also in motogp/motocross they use a technique called "backing it in" where they kick out thier rear end, essentially drifting the turn. and its not just for show. I saw an x-games motocross race recently where there was a really big concrete element, and they had to race the entire track with slick tires, every single racer used this technique on the pavement, I doubt they would have been doing it if it wasnt the fastest way around the track.

In some situations drifting can be quicker through a turn but does not provide a quicker exit out of a turn. With a maximum traction turn you brake into the turn and once you hit the apex you're accelerating out of the turn. With drifting you have to wait until your rear tires regain traction before you can start accelerating out of the turn.

An example of this are the license test in Gran Turismo. I know it's just a game but it's something to put it in better perspective. With these tests your exit speed out of the turns is crucial for fast times. Go into turns sliding and you can clearly see your times are slower.

The actual point at which that happens is dependent on weight distribution. It's not always at the apex. In my front drive car, you should be on the gas much longer than you should be on the brake. I've played GT, and I'm good at it. The fastest way around the corner is with a LITTLE bit of slippage at the end of the turn, but that's to minimize the energy going into rotating the car before it straightens out on the straight.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
i think this is more exciting

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7404603322560055094&q=hot+version

and drifting is all about being able to control the car on its edge... at least the fast kinds that you see in that video, not the staged one.

Hell yeah. That's really cool how it's the same driver but different cars, so it's purely an engineer's sport and not a driver's sport. That's my kind of racing!!!!!1

 

[randay]

Gran Turismo != real life. Though it is probably the closest you can ever get besides the actual thing. But I'm not saying what you say isn't true, it all matters on way too many things to be certain. IE: you can apex earlier or later depending on the next section of track and your cars ability?

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Sometimes they can be a WHOLE LOT of fun to watch

Holy crap! What a fvcking dumbass.

Don't worry, he's dead.

 

[sniperruff]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: sniperruff
i think this is more exciting

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7404603322560055094&q=hot+version

and drifting is all about being able to control the car on its edge... at least the fast kinds that you see in that video, not the staged one.

Hell yeah. That's really cool how it's the same driver but different cars, so it's purely an engineer's sport and not a driver's sport. That's my kind of racing!!!!!1

well, they rank the cars and then race the top ones against each other, and obviously one guy is better than the other so it has to do with the driver too.

check out the portion of the race starting at 12:10. that shows you how knowing how to apply some drifting technique can recover from a spinout.