Car Detailing Question

[Apex]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Apex
Procedure:

1. Wash with Dawn. Yes Dawn. Not car wash detergent. Dawn.

Oh boy, here we go. 😉

Edit: Nevermind, F22 Raptor isn't onilne right now. 🙂

😀

Considering I am tired, I'll let this one slip, but I will state again for the record I am avidly against using Dawn, cleaner wax should be used, period.

So let me get this straight...you are advocating using wax to strip off wax?

It contains abrasives that strip the old wax while still leaving a chemical buffer until the car is polished and then waxed. Dawn only strips the old wax leaving the surface unexposed and allows for contaminates to enter the paint surface and after time can easily cause oxidation and rust (it doesn't help that you then seal the particles into the paint with a protectant wax). I have seen this happen many times on old vehicles that I have restored and especially even newer models whose owners come in and cannot understand why they have rust around the edges and linings of their 5 year old car when they wax it "properly", after using dawn. This also happens a lot on chrome. Also unless you are using a heavy abrasive you never want to completely strip the old wax as usually one coat of wax (or with missed parts of sections) does not provide a good coat of protection.

The issue is with Zaino, you don't want that chemical buffer. That's why they even suggest using clay right after Dawn, to get a clean and completely bare paint (or clearcoat) surface.

 

[Googer]

Polish is supposed to be done on bare paint the followed by a good wash with a true car wash formula and then waxed several times over.

 

[DurocShark]

Dawn is what you want to use IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO POLISHING AND WAXING. That it strips the wax off is the point. But it's ONLY to be used when you're trying to strip off the wax. Do NOT use it for regular washing. Do NOT use it for regular waxing either.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Dawn is what you want to use IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO POLISHING AND WAXING. That it strips the wax off is the point. But it's ONLY to be used when you're trying to strip off the wax. Do NOT use it for regular washing. Do NOT use it for regular waxing either.

Exactly.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Apex
Procedure:

1. Wash with Dawn. Yes Dawn. Not car wash detergent. Dawn.

Oh boy, here we go. 😉

Edit: Nevermind, F22 Raptor isn't onilne right now. 🙂

😀

Considering I am tired, I'll let this one slip, but I will state again for the record I am avidly against using Dawn, cleaner wax should be used, period.

So let me get this straight...you are advocating using wax to strip off wax?

It contains abrasives that strip the old wax while still leaving a chemical buffer until the car is polished and then waxed. Dawn only strips the old wax leaving the surface unexposed and allows for contaminates to enter the paint surface and after time can easily cause oxidation and rust (it doesn't help that you then seal the particles into the paint with a protectant wax). I have seen this happen many times on old vehicles that I have restored and especially even newer models whose owners come in and cannot understand why they have rust around the edges and linings of their 5 year old car when they wax it "properly", after using dawn. This also happens a lot on chrome. Also unless you are using a heavy abrasive you never want to completely strip the old wax as usually one coat of wax (or with missed parts of sections) does not provide a good coat of protection.

The issue is with Zaino, you don't want that chemical buffer. That's why they even suggest using clay right after Dawn, to get a clean and completely bare paint (or clearcoat) surface.

Not to change the subject, but Zaino is crap (their lwo-grade consumer products that is). I will be explaining this in detail when I finish my DIY detailing thread this weekend. To completely strip the wax before adding a wax is very unecessary and can cause damage as mentioned. The surface of the paint to wax should be void of all particles, not wax or chemicals that aid in luster. Zaino, once again basing their low grade consumer products off their rare $1000 wax, says the wax should be stripped because they act as if only their pure product on your car can provide the best results when this is utter BS. Even detailers who use the famous Zaino have rubbing compounds and lusters on the paint before they apply the wax.


I am speaking from experience, but you have your right to disagree.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: DurocShark
Dawn is what you want to use IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO POLISHING AND WAXING. That it strips the wax off is the point. But it's ONLY to be used when you're trying to strip off the wax. Do NOT use it for regular washing. Do NOT use it for regular waxing either.

Exactly.

Wrong, stripping the wax is only should be done done when using heavy abrasives as I stated. Heavy abrasives mean using something of heavy course with a 20,000 RPM buffer. Then stripping the wax does not matter as it is necessary to remove all particles and the paint (the microscopic ridges and valleys) are being smoothed over and heated to allow for proper polishing. A polish should be applied afterwards along with then a wax as a sealent, and usually then a glaze if one is taking such steps. Dawn is way to harsh to use on paint, and most do not see the effects on modern cars because of clear coat, but it will cause rust over time.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Apex
Procedure:

1. Wash with Dawn. Yes Dawn. Not car wash detergent. Dawn.

Oh boy, here we go. 😉

Edit: Nevermind, F22 Raptor isn't onilne right now. 🙂

😀

Considering I am tired, I'll let this one slip, but I will state again for the record I am avidly against using Dawn, cleaner wax should be used, period.

So let me get this straight...you are advocating using wax to strip off wax?

It contains abrasives that strip the old wax while still leaving a chemical buffer until the car is polished and then waxed. Dawn only strips the old wax leaving the surface unexposed and allows for contaminates to enter the paint surface and after time can easily cause oxidation and rust (it doesn't help that you then seal the particles into the paint with a protectant wax). I have seen this happen many times on old vehicles that I have restored and especially even newer models whose owners come in and cannot understand why they have rust around the edges and linings of their 5 year old car when they wax it "properly", after using dawn. This also happens a lot on chrome. Also unless you are using a heavy abrasive you never want to completely strip the old wax as usually one coat of wax (or with missed parts of sections) does not provide a good coat of protection.

The issue is with Zaino, you don't want that chemical buffer. That's why they even suggest using clay right after Dawn, to get a clean and completely bare paint (or clearcoat) surface.

Not to change the subject, but Zaino is crap (their lwo-grade consumer products that is). I will be explaining this in detail when I finish my DIY detailing thread this weekend. To completely strip the wax before adding a wax is very unecessary and can cause damage as mentioned. The surface of the paint to wax should be void of all particles, not wax or chemicals that aid in luster. Zaino, once again basing their low grade consumer products off their rare $1000 wax, says the wax should be stripped because they act as if only their pure product on your car can provide the best results when this is utter BS. Even detailers who use the famous Zaino have rubbing compounds and lusters on the paint before they apply the wax.


I am speaking from experience, but you have your right to disagree.

Happen to have url of said $1000 Zaino wax, or are you confusing it with Zymol?

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Apex
Procedure:

1. Wash with Dawn. Yes Dawn. Not car wash detergent. Dawn.

Oh boy, here we go. 😉

Edit: Nevermind, F22 Raptor isn't onilne right now. 🙂

😀

Considering I am tired, I'll let this one slip, but I will state again for the record I am avidly against using Dawn, cleaner wax should be used, period.

So let me get this straight...you are advocating using wax to strip off wax?

It contains abrasives that strip the old wax while still leaving a chemical buffer until the car is polished and then waxed. Dawn only strips the old wax leaving the surface unexposed and allows for contaminates to enter the paint surface and after time can easily cause oxidation and rust (it doesn't help that you then seal the particles into the paint with a protectant wax). I have seen this happen many times on old vehicles that I have restored and especially even newer models whose owners come in and cannot understand why they have rust around the edges and linings of their 5 year old car when they wax it "properly", after using dawn. This also happens a lot on chrome. Also unless you are using a heavy abrasive you never want to completely strip the old wax as usually one coat of wax (or with missed parts of sections) does not provide a good coat of protection.

The bottle of "cleaner wax" that I have...meguiars that I think - is pretty much a conventional wax. It supposedly has all sorts of abrasives that make using polish and glaze beforehand supposedly superfluous, but it leaves a sheet of wax on top of the car like any other wax.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Apex
Procedure:

1. Wash with Dawn. Yes Dawn. Not car wash detergent. Dawn.

Oh boy, here we go. 😉

Edit: Nevermind, F22 Raptor isn't onilne right now. 🙂

😀

Considering I am tired, I'll let this one slip, but I will state again for the record I am avidly against using Dawn, cleaner wax should be used, period.

So let me get this straight...you are advocating using wax to strip off wax?

It contains abrasives that strip the old wax while still leaving a chemical buffer until the car is polished and then waxed. Dawn only strips the old wax leaving the surface unexposed and allows for contaminates to enter the paint surface and after time can easily cause oxidation and rust (it doesn't help that you then seal the particles into the paint with a protectant wax). I have seen this happen many times on old vehicles that I have restored and especially even newer models whose owners come in and cannot understand why they have rust around the edges and linings of their 5 year old car when they wax it "properly", after using dawn. This also happens a lot on chrome. Also unless you are using a heavy abrasive you never want to completely strip the old wax as usually one coat of wax (or with missed parts of sections) does not provide a good coat of protection.

The issue is with Zaino, you don't want that chemical buffer. That's why they even suggest using clay right after Dawn, to get a clean and completely bare paint (or clearcoat) surface.

Not to change the subject, but Zaino is crap (their lwo-grade consumer products that is). I will be explaining this in detail when I finish my DIY detailing thread this weekend. To completely strip the wax before adding a wax is very unecessary and can cause damage as mentioned. The surface of the paint to wax should be void of all particles, not wax or chemicals that aid in luster. Zaino, once again basing their low grade consumer products off their rare $1000 wax, says the wax should be stripped because they act as if only their pure product on your car can provide the best results when this is utter BS. Even detailers who use the famous Zaino have rubbing compounds and lusters on the paint before they apply the wax.


I am speaking from experience, but you have your right to disagree.

Happen to have url of said $1000 Zaino wax, or are you confusing it with Zymol?

Back around 1990 they offered it in Europe, mostly to Ferarri owners, then discontinued it due to lack of interest. Zaino had one of the first +$1000 waxes, Zymol's came later.

Edit: I will find a link to provide more info. 🙂

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: F22 Raptor

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Apex
Procedure:

1. Wash with Dawn. Yes Dawn. Not car wash detergent. Dawn.

Oh boy, here we go. 😉

Edit: Nevermind, F22 Raptor isn't onilne right now. 🙂

😀

Considering I am tired, I'll let this one slip, but I will state again for the record I am avidly against using Dawn, cleaner wax should be used, period.

So let me get this straight...you are advocating using wax to strip off wax?

It contains abrasives that strip the old wax while still leaving a chemical buffer until the car is polished and then waxed. Dawn only strips the old wax leaving the surface unexposed and allows for contaminates to enter the paint surface and after time can easily cause oxidation and rust (it doesn't help that you then seal the particles into the paint with a protectant wax). I have seen this happen many times on old vehicles that I have restored and especially even newer models whose owners come in and cannot understand why they have rust around the edges and linings of their 5 year old car when they wax it "properly", after using dawn. This also happens a lot on chrome. Also unless you are using a heavy abrasive you never want to completely strip the old wax as usually one coat of wax (or with missed parts of sections) does not provide a good coat of protection.

The issue is with Zaino, you don't want that chemical buffer. That's why they even suggest using clay right after Dawn, to get a clean and completely bare paint (or clearcoat) surface.

Not to change the subject, but Zaino is crap (their lwo-grade consumer products that is). I will be explaining this in detail when I finish my DIY detailing thread this weekend. To completely strip the wax before adding a wax is very unecessary and can cause damage as mentioned. The surface of the paint to wax should be void of all particles, not wax or chemicals that aid in luster. Zaino, once again basing their low grade consumer products off their rare $1000 wax, says the wax should be stripped because they act as if only their pure product on your car can provide the best results when this is utter BS. Even detailers who use the famous Zaino have rubbing compounds and lusters on the paint before they apply the wax.


I am speaking from experience, but you have your right to disagree.

Happen to have url of said $1000 Zaino wax, or are you confusing it with Zymol?

Back around 1990 they offered it in Europe, mostly to Ferarri owners, then discontinued it due to lack of interest. Zaino had one of the first +$1000 waxes, Zymol's came later.

Edit: I will find a link to provide more info. 🙂

Cool, I'd like to see it.

Sal Zaino has never heard of it.