Capture video in 3rd party software with the AIW Radeon!

[rbV5]

Here is a link with screenshots of me Capturing Video with third party software using the Rage Theater Driver. If there is any interest, I can use this page for anything relating to video and my All in Wonder Radeon..just ask, I'll see what I can come up with.

Link to page with screenshots!

Added screen captures so far using: Amcap, Adobe Premiere 6.0, Vidcap32 and VirtualDub 1.4c.
Added a screen capture of my Device manager showing devices and codecs.
Added Web friendlier optimized GIF files.
Added tip on how to import Mpeg-2 files into Premiere v6.0.
Changed thread title.

 

[NicColt]

Like good old JR would say "Good GOD almighty" as I fall off my chair.

And you did this vid cap with the AIW-Radeon?

I'm at a loss for words right now, please give me a moment.

 

[TungFree]

Amazing

 

[rbV5]

Yup, thats our local ABC affiliate, just a quick capture to whatever the defaults were. I just remembered my old geocities page, so if there is any interest, I could throw something together with screen shots from the various proggies I've tried with settings and what not.

 

[NicColt]

1) I'd like to get to the bottom of this mysterie, in -control panel -multimedia -capture device
can you tell me again what you have listed there?

2) you are using an AIW-Radeon right

3) did you have an AIW-128 installed before ?

 

[rbV5]

1.Control Panel>Sounds and Multimedia>Hardware>Legacy Video Capture Devices>Properties>"WDM Video For Windows Capture Driver (Win32)"

2.Right, I use the AIW Radeon, win2k driver 3102 (as shown on. "My Hardware" link)

3.No, this a new computer built by me 12/26/00. The AIW Radeon is the second video card I've had in this computer. First Card: V3 2000 PCI.

 

[TungFree]

Until I get my MOBO and can install the AIW and install the software, like u said, I cannot verify anything in my system but NicColt must be busy trying something he is silent LOL
maybe he really did fall out of his chair Bwahahahahahah.

 

[NicColt]

>NicColt must be busy trying something

Yes, I am Tung. this is a good one, I have to say. I won't rest until I figure this one out.

p.s. I'm so old that even Anna Nicole Smith wants a date with me.

 

[rbV5]

Be sure to keep checking the page, I'm updating it as I go. Looking for some input as well.

 

[TungFree]

NicColt you are as old as we perceive u otherwise I am older than u and you can call me Pop LOL

 

[iamthebear]

Maybe I'm lucky, but I've never had a problem capturing with VirtualDub ever. Installed drivers as is, no special tweaks, it just works.

 

[rbV5]

Same here.

 

[TungFree]

do you both have win2k pro?
there must be something simmilar.

 

[rbV5]

Updated site with a quick tip on importing Mpeg-2 video captured with the ATI Digital VCR into Premiere v6.0.

 

[NicColt]

How in the hell can that be possible if you don't have an ATI WDM video capture device??? The only way those programs can communicate is through a Video for Windows, windows driver model.

Rbv5 when you run the virtualdub capture what do you have as your capture settings? and the default capture driver? here's what mine looks like, virtualdub capture driver screen cap

I've been reading forums and it seems split, some can and some can't. But WHY. What would cause it to work and not work. I'm stumped.

One thing I did notice is this. Under video capture devices, you have a WDM Video for Windows Capture Driver but there is NO way that the Radeon could have installed that, and I have the standard Microsoft WDM Image capture which is there by default and doesn't work anyway.

Somehow you are using some sort of windows default, WDM Video For Windows device capture that connects to the Radeon.

I will bet you anything that this is some sort of default VfW WDM setting for winME and win2k only and is not available on Win98. Maybe it's Time I try win2k.

If under default capture driver in virtualdub capture you have this setting, that would mean that you are communicating with the Rage Theater chip through a windows VfW driver and not through DirectShow. Now that would indeed explain things. Please let me know.

 

[iamthebear]

I'm running Win98se - If anyone needs more info, let me know.

 

[iamthebear]

update: OK, this is strange. I just installed my WEBCam GO Plus software and now VirtualDub only sees my WEbCAM. So much for working fine.

update2: I opened up my ATI TV player, closed it, went back to VirtualDUB, and when I selected capture video, it gave me a choice of either my WebCam or the ATI Rage Theatre Video. It now seems to work. Go figure

update3: OK, now VDUB doesn't allow me to select my webcam. This is either really crappy drivers on ATI & Creative's part, a bug in VDUB, or Microsoft's implementation is crap.

 

[iamthebear]

OK, I figured I'll just use the ATI TV app to record using the PICVideo compressor. It plays & records fine.

 

[TungFree]

sunday morning, to all,from Hawaii hope you are all fine LOL.

NicColt Win2k was a consideration of mine, as the success fork in the road. My win2k is the server Pro and I will try and trade it with friends for The windows2k pro so my system becomes the same as success systems, Im currently using win98 because of the resources in my old computer. But if I get there slower than you, you will certainly test this theory and put the problems to rest if it is the source.

 

[rbV5]

iamthebear is running win98se, its not the OS. I will put a screenshot up of my settings in VirtualDub, I'm pretty certain that windows installs the legacy capture driver with the OS. The Rage Theater Driver is ATI's WDM video driver, and from what I understand(I haven't looked into enough to know)the Netshow API is backward compatable with VFW, though not a full implementation, again, I don't enough about it to know what I'm even talking about

This I do know, if it works on my machine, it will work on your machine, all things being equall. It DOES work on mine, therefore it WILL work on yours.

It even seems to me that I've read a post of someone using Netmeeting with their Radeon as well. Nic, you must not have something installed fully, or properly, or something. Does eveything else in your system apear to work OK?

 

[NicColt]

>Nic, you must not have something installed fully, or properly,

But your using win2k right?

>Does eveything else in your system apear to work OK?

Everything else is perfect now. I finally managed to sync my sound in long recordings. Man things are looking up.

However I do believe that the WDM video for windows that you have is a default driver from win2k it won't exist in win98 (that I know of).

Frigg if that's the case I'm hopping in win2k pro.

Did anyone capture 1+ hours in win2k with MMC ? how's the sound sync?

 

[rbV5]

Remember, iamthebear is running win98se and capturing with VirtualDub as well, also, I checked, my capture preferences screen in VirtualDub is exactly as yours.

Personally, I think win2k is the way to go anyway, its very stable, it works great with all my software and games, With a NTFS volume, you have no file size limit other than your physical drive size..great for uncompressed captures.

I haven't captured anything that long yet, but sound has always been in sync so far.

 

[NicColt]

>Remember, iamthebear is running win98se and capturing with VirtualDub as well, also

Ah man I wish you woulnd't have told me that

I have looked everywhere and I don't see anything that would load that driver. I may do the jump to 2kpro so I won't sweat it for now.

>The Rage Theater Driver is ATI's

yea but it's mapped through the DirectShow API (supposed to)

But I have a gut feeling that if there is a default windows WDM Video for windows driver it will also map through it. Man what a can of worms.