Captherm systems MP1120

[ahenkel]

Any thoughts on this it seems to be an all in one phase change cooler.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/captherm-systems-builds-pc-phase-change-cooler-explosions/

looks like an interesting idea. I'd like to see some independent test results to see if the $250 msrp is justified.

 

[lehtv]

Looks interesting for sure. Can't wait for the reviews

 

[DigDog]

i dont see this winning over water right now; the AIO advantage is the tubing, which allows the radiator to be further away from the component - even if the cold plate here is super-efficient, it still attaches to some crappy 120mm fan right in the middle of the case.

 

[doyll49]

Not much out there about the CapTherm MP-1120, not even on CapTherm Systems website, but they did show it at Consumer Electronics Show 2014 last week..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-mmSyE0y70

and it is North American made.
http://captherm.com/about-us/

Only testing of cooler I can find was done by CapTherm themselves. It's shows the MP-1120 running 4c cooler than H80. While I'm not into CLC coolers the H80's cooling ability is among the top coolers.. all of which are within 5-6c of each other.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Dat...-Cooling-Solution-at-CES-2014/Performance.jpg

Using NH-D14 as standard we see H80 5.2c cooler. Not saying this true, but it shows they are similar.

http://img.hexus.net/v2/cooling/Corsair/H80-H100/graph-2.jpg

Here NH-D14 is 2c cooler than H80.
scroll down to last graph. Click on colored squares to remove/add each cooler from graph.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_h80/4.htm

I think we can all agree NH-D14 is one of the best out there.. and comparing NH-D14 to H80 we can agree they are similar. and the MP-1120 cools 4c better in only test data we have.. therefore we can assume the MP-1120 has similar cooling ability to the rest of the best.. at about half the size! To me that is a huge step forward in cooling technology. The only possible drawback appears to be that the MP-1120 has to be oriented so the top of radiator is it's highest point for coolant to flow properly. Being as small as it is I doubt this will be much of a problem.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Couldn't find much out there about the CapTherm MP-1120, not even on CapTherm Systems website, but they did show it at Consumer Electronics Show 2014 last week.. and it is North American made.
http://captherm.com/about-us/

Only testing of cooler I can find was done by CapTherm themselves. It's shows the MP-1120 running 4c cooler than H80. While I'm not into CLC coolers the H80's cooling ability is among the top coolers.. all of which are within 5-6c of each other.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Dat...-Cooling-Solution-at-CES-2014/Performance.jpg

Using NH-D14 as standard we see H80 5.2c cooler. Not saying this true, but it shows they are similar.

http://img.hexus.net/v2/cooling/Corsair/H80-H100/graph-2.jpg

Here NH-D14 is 2c cooler than H80.
scroll down to last graph. Click on colored squares to remove/add each cooler from graph.
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_h80/4.htm

I think we can all agree NH-D14 is one of the best out there.. and comparing NH-D14 to H80 we can agree they are similar. and the MP-1120 cools 4c better in only test data we have.. therefore we can assume the MP-1120 has similar cooling ability to the rest of the best.. at about half the size! To me that is a huge step forward in cooling technology. The only possible drawback appears to be that the MP-1120 has to be oriented so the top of radiator is it's highest point for coolant to flow properly. Being as small as it is I doubt this will be much of a problem.

Why do I imagine that this thing also does some cooling for your GeForce?

But what type of stuff is having its phase changed? If it's water, maybe that's why it's marginally competitive. What powers it? How many watts does it draw? Your top-end phase-change cooler is going to appear on your electric bill, although your run-of-the-mill basement-dwelling geek would make room to afford it if he bought a phase-changer.

Again -- somebody will swear at me for the repetition. Decrease the D14 result by about 4C degrees for the comparison. You just need the right fan for it, and likely one -- not two of the Noctu-Limp-Meisters.

 

[doyll49]

Why do I imagine that this thing also does some cooling for your GeForce?

But what type of stuff is having its phase changed? If it's water, maybe that's why it's marginally competitive. What powers it? How many watts does it draw? Your top-end phase-change cooler is going to appear on your electric bill, although your run-of-the-mill basement-dwelling geek would make room to afford it if he bought a phase-changer.

Again -- somebody will swear at me for the repetition. Decrease the D14 result by about 4C degrees for the comparison. You just need the right fan for it, and likely one -- not two of the Noctu-Limp-Meisters.

• First let me be very clear. I am not affiliated with CapTherm Systems. I am trying to find out information about the MP-1120 just like everybody else is right now.
• Don't own anything GeForce.. no idea why you would think I do. AFAIK all the pictures I've posted were taken at CES 2014 or from CapTherm.
• I do know is the MP-1120 IS NOT A WATER COOLER. The coolant IS NOT WATER.
• Power is the heat from CPU.
• The MP-1120 draws no watts because it draws no power (except the cooling fan). The MP-1120 can passive cool 40w, and TDP of the system is 275w.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

• First let me be very clear. I am not affiliated with CapTherm Systems. I am trying to find out information about the MP-1120 just like everybody else is right now.
• Don't own anything GeForce.. no idea why you would think I do. AFAIK all the pictures I've posted were taken at CES 2014 or from CapTherm.
• I do know is the MP-1120 IS NOT A WATER COOLER. The coolant IS NOT WATER.
• Power is the heat from CPU.
• The MP-1120 draws no watts because it draws no power (except the cooling fan). The MP-1120 can passive cool 40w, and TDP of the system is 275w.

You must've misunderstood me, and I'm posting verbose at these forums today. The picture just shows it up close to the gfx card which is a GeForce/NVidia-GPU.

somebody said "water" per this MP-1120 -- maybe in the news-item about the CES 2014. So if that was a mistake, then it has to be some sort of refrigerant -- I would think. A friend told me recently that if you replaced the water in a water-cooling system with iso-propanol, you'd really get some "enhanced cooling" -- maybe he was joking, but we were both laughing about the hazard . . . .

 

[doyll49]

Must have. Let's un-verbose for a moment. :biggrin:

I'm trying to figure out what CapTherm is doing here. They build cooling for very hi-tech equipment and some not as hi-tech. But as far as I can tell the have a good reputation so I'm hoping the MP-1120 is the real thing. The price is very high.. $200-250.00 is more than all but a very few will pay.

I remember when heat pipe coolers first came out. Most of use had our doubts about them too.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Must have. Let's un-verbose for a moment. :biggrin:

I'm trying to figure out what CapTherm is doing here. They build cooling for very hi-tech equipment and some not as hi-tech. But as far as I can tell the have a good reputation so I'm hoping the MP-1120 is the real thing. The price is very high.. $200-250.00 is more than all but a very few will pay.

I remember when heat pipe coolers first came out. Most of use had our doubts about them too.

Well . . . since I'm waiting for the Noctua "X14" in April, I can wait for the CapTherm. I think some of us including myself are "dreamers." We keep thinking about proven Rube-Goldberg setups, but back away for practical reasons. Then we see "new developments" -- probably just as glad to purchase one or the other than to . . . screw up our $2K investment with home-made . . . . stuff . . .

 

[doyll49]

We can wait on this one too

Yes, it's a real CPU cooler.

 

[jaedaliu]

Wait, isn't EVERY heatsink that uses heat pipes a phase change cooler?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Wait, isn't EVERY heatsink that uses heat pipes a phase change cooler?

. . . . Yay-us . . . Yay-us indeed . . .

Or you could say they're "a type of water/liquid cooling." But like I said per the decades-old NASA white-paper -- MTBF is about a million years . . .

Generally though, when you say "phase-change" we assume you mean hooking up a refrigerator's condensation loop to a CPU with the prospect of going "sub-zero." . . . And dealing with room condensation or frost on electronic parts if there isn't sufficient insulation of the cooling loop and target components like the CPU and/or GPU(s). Those types of cooling devices cost $900 to $1,800. $1,800 buys you sub-zero for both the CPU and a GPU.

 

[doyll49]

Wonder if MP-1120 works on a principle something like a propane powered camper fridge?

 

[lehtv]

We can wait on this one too

Yes, it's a real CPU cooler.

So cute... ^___^

 

[doyll49]

Concept cooler by a fledgling company named CoolClouds.

 

[deathBOB]

So it's a heatpipe equivalent with a viewing window?

 

[doyll49]

No, don't think it can be compared to a heat pipe cooler...

• MP-1120's coolant is not water based. Heat pipe coolant is water based.
• MP-1120 circulates in a loop from CPU out into machined flat tubes and back. Heat pipe cooler and independent heat pipe; each it's own self-contained cooling system moving gas out from base and liquid back to base in the same tube.
• MP-1120 is pressurized. Heat pipes are each vacuumed.
• MP-1120 radiator is half the size of heat pipe radiator with same cooling ability.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

No, don't think it can be compared to a heat pipe cooler...

• MP-1120's coolant is not water based. Heat pipe coolant is water based.
• MP-1120 circulates in a loop from CPU out into machined flat tubes and back. Heat pipe cooler and independent heat pipe; each it's own self-contained cooling system moving gas out from base and liquid back to base in the same tube.
• MP-1120 is pressurized. Heat pipes are each vacuumed.
• MP-1120 radiator is half the size of heat pipe radiator with same cooling ability.

Are there any specs that clarify the size and dimensions of that little ah heck?

 

[doyll49]

The only thing I've been able to find showing specs is this very poor quality image

 

[smackababy]

Interesting idea, but it looks far too expensive to be worthwhile right now. Perhaps, after a few years of development.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Interesting idea, but it looks far too expensive to be worthwhile right now. Perhaps, after a few years of development.

The OP hadn't found any reviews or performance details, but the folks who built it actually included the essential specification -- the thermal resistance in C/W. I can see that the spec-sheet shows 0.11 C/W.

That was considered good in the earlier days of the various heatpipe coolers -- for instance, the ThermalRight Ultima 90. If you could ever find a heatpipe cooler that rated at 0.06 to 0.09 C/W, one would think that "new ground had been broken" in heatpipe cooling.

And I think that ground had been broken. But ultimately, like Jakob Dellinger said, you're bottlenecked by the size of the CPU cap and ultimately by the die-size under it.

 

[doyll49]

Keeping chips cool is the problem for sure. But I can remember when we used aluminum and/or copper block coolers and it was super hi-tech to build "custom" H2O.. with one off "custom" CNC waterblocks. Now hi-tech is liquid nitrogen and heat pipes rule air cooling. Maybe the MP1120 will be the next step in air cooling..

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Keeping chips cool is the problem for sure. But I can remember when we used aluminum and/or copper block coolers and it was super hi-tech to build "custom" H2O.. with one off "custom" CNC waterblocks. Now hi-tech is liquid nitrogen and heat pipes rule air cooling. Maybe the MP1120 will be the next step in air cooling..

I remember one guy who had posted his water-cooling project -- maybe I saw it in 2003. He purchased some lumps of copper and used a drill-bit to hollow them out!

As the Golden Age of over-clocking seems to be in its sunset years -- or so some say -- the exotic choices are expensive. $1000 for phase-change kits. If I build a bong-cooler, for what I want -- I'll still have to dig into my pockets.

IF you have the addictive bug for this pastime, you want to find ways to do it on the cheap. That's where we make the compromises, or look to Jakob Dellinger for some positive development. And I should really save some money to buy another car when my old pooper finally dies . . .