Cap-and-Trade's Coffin Gets Another Nail at Climate Exchange

[Amused]

Haha, yeah.

I think this one is by far the funniest, though:

No, this one is funnier:

 

[rcpratt]

Meh, that one's obvious.

 

[zsdersw]

No, this is the funniest:

 

[ShawnD1]

It'd be a laugh riot if someone decided to compare IQ and party affiliation.

I've tried googling this before and it never seems to get a conclusive result. The best I could find was a correlation of money and education vs party. The conservatives (in this case republicans) tend to have support from people who are doing above average; guys who work regular jobs and get paid fairly well like $30-40 per hour. The democrats were a lot more wide spread and it included the smartest and the stupidest people. The people who have no job and 20 kids tend to be liberals, as are people who hold a PhD in sociology and make 6 figures.

 

[zsdersw]

 

[werepossum]

Cap and trade is FAR from dead. Watch programs like REDD gradually grow in scope and size. All it will take is a little sleight of hand to set up regulatory equivalency between deforestation and other carbon emissions. Once they switch from a donor based program to a treaty signatory setup it will only take one opportune moment with the "right" Congress to lock the US in forever. Do you think the next thirty years will elapse without a single Congress willing to sign such a treaty?

Quoted for truth.

 

[ShawnD1]

Quoted for truth.

It's not the environmental regulations themselves that are super super bad, but it gets to be a serious concern if certain countries are not part of those regulations. Remember that stupid Kyoto agreement that Canada foolishly joined? It's a restriction on carbon that DOES NOT include China or India. Good job shipping all of your manufacturing to China with that agreement, idiots. :\

 

[rcpratt]

Oops, I started a stupid graph posting party.

 

[werepossum]

LOL Perfect!

 

[shira]

Would it?

Now tell me, what would that add up to when we include the numbers of welfare queens, ghetto folks and illegal immigrants? You know, the left's party base?

And what would it add up to on the right when we include the numbers of trailer-park philosophers, rednecks, and born-again retards?

I think the Fox-News versus Jon-Stewart literacy tests pretty much demonstrated which political party holds the brain-damage honors.

 

[Amused]

And what would it add up to on the right when we include the numbers of trailer-park philosophers, rednecks, and born-again retards?

I think the Fox-News versus Jon-Stewart literacy tests pretty much demonstrated which political party holds the brain-damage honors.

Riiiight. Because biased info is reliable!

For every right leaning dumbass you show me, I'll show you a left leaning one.

 

[sandorski]

C&T is the Best Market Based solution to CO2 emissions. I suspect the strict Emissions Regulations needed without C&T would piss you off even more.

 

[Drako]

C&T is the Best Market Based solution to CO2 emissions. I suspect the strict Emissions Regulations needed without C&T would piss you off even more.

Using your vernacular - "Fail".

 

[Thump553]

Although it has been demonized, cap and trade is probably the single best method of having the marketplace determine solutions to manmade global climate change. The alternatives are (1) stick your head in the sand and continue to claim climate change is a conspiracy to make Al Gore rich or (2) control of manmade climate change through extensive and specific regulation.

We've had far too much of simplistic platitudes passing for policy in the past two decades. It's far time for that to stop but I'm afraid the most recent elections shall only accelerate the trend towards counterproductive governance. In the end we will end up with more damage, more costs, less effective solutions and much more red tape.

 

[ShawnD1]

Although it has been demonized, cap and trade is probably the single best method of having the marketplace determine solutions to manmade global climate change. The alternatives are (1) stick your head in the sand and continue to claim climate change is a conspiracy to make Al Gore rich or (2) control of manmade climate change through extensive and specific regulation.

We've had far too much of simplistic platitudes passing for policy in the past two decades. It's far time for that to stop but I'm afraid the most recent elections shall only accelerate the trend towards counterproductive governance. In the end we will end up with more damage, more costs, less effective solutions and much more red tape.

And remind me again why I should give a shit about climate change? I already live in an area that ranges from -40C in winter to +30C in summer. It can rain, snow, and be sunny all in the same day. We get hail the size of golf balls. Even with all of that bullshit, climate doesn't seem to be a huge problem. If some poor people in a shit hole country can't deal with the ocean rising 3 feet, then they probably deserve to die anyway.

 

[BoberFett]

Cap & Trade is just another perversion of the free market designed to keep the powers-that-be in charge. If you really want to make sure the externalities of industry (e.g., pollution, CO2) are accounted for, simply tax them. Items made in China without pollution control will have massive taxes added to them while something made in environmentally friendly factories using solar power here in the US will pay very little. The cost of those taxes on industry will trickle down to the consumer, because ultimately it's the consumer who causes those in the first place and the reduction of pollution will be solely in the hands of the consumer. The proceeds of said tax could then be applied to dealing with the result of pollution.

The problem is that nobody in power in the US wants a simple system for dealing with externalities. It's the complexity which keeps them rich and powerful. Cap & Trade would make some people very wealthy, so of course they think it's a great system.