Can't shoot someone unless they have a gun too

[exdeath]

If someone is in my house intent on doing undesirable things and they don't have a gun, I have plenty they can borrow.

 

[exdeath]

Do you know any anti-gun conservatives?

A lot of so called conservatives are religious nuts and thus don't believe you should be allowed to kill anyone even in self defense = against guns.

 

[moonbogg]

That asshole is terrifying. If people like this are in charge of laws then we are screwed. This guy has zero concern for people's safety. I want him to get beaten to death with an axe handle and record him telling his body guard to refrain from shooting the attacker.

 

[FerrelGeek]

If some person attacks you pull out your gun and keep shooting till they quit moving. However, for concealed carry your life has to be in danger. I would say if somone is going to rape you, grab you roughly or tries to punch you, then your life is in danger. If you are a woman you might not be able to reach a gun so maybe a knife or a taser or something else is also a good idea. Female soldiers in Seoul, Korea use to feel endangered and sometimes they would carry a bayonet.

Stabbing someone with a Tampon probably will not work. Maybe they should put pepper spray in a hairspray bottle. Hair brush with a knife inside. Hair pin as a deadly weapon.

Remember, the idiot libs tell a woman to just wet herself and the would-be rapist will run away.

Having this clown get attacked and severely beaten by a guy with an ax handle would be a good object lesson.

 

[thraashman]

Do you know any anti-gun conservatives?

Yeah, my parents. I'm fairly sure neither have voted anything but Republican in my lifetime and they both hate guns.


And for the OP, I realize you're trying to use this to attack liberals. But you're ignoring that a staunch liberal, Chris Matthews, is clearly disagreeing with this position of the MAIG spokesman.

 

[FerrelGeek]

A lot of so called conservatives are religious nuts and thus don't believe you should be allowed to kill anyone even in self defense = against guns.

Um, sorry, those are the liberal religious nuts. New flash - there are non atheists who happen to be liberals.

 

[Juddog]

Yeah this liberal = anti-gun rhetoric is getting a bit ridiculous. Not all liberals are against guns, and not all conservatives are pro-gun. My wife's grandfather is an example - hates guns and is against them, but similar to thraashman's parents, has never ever even once voted for anything but a republican. He watches Fox news, etc., all the classic conservative stances on marriage, abortion, etc..

Also my liberal buddies are some of the biggest gun nuts I know; one guy I know has something like 6 guns, goes shooting on the weekends at the range, etc..

 

[kage69]

I hate the fact that everybody who is anti-gun is automatically a liberal now; I know a ton of liberals who are pro-gun.

It's the mark of an easily confused mind - they need stereotypes to function. Same stupidity that created the theme of "if you don't agree with GWB you are a liberal."

Pro-gun moderates and liberals were a big part of why those recent control efforts fizzled out, wasn't just the NRA but good luck getting some to reconcile that with their love of stereotypes.

 

[Juddog]

Um, sorry, those are the liberal religious nuts. New flash - there are non atheists who happen to be liberals.

Wait - so if you vote republican only, go to church, but are against guns - you're a liberal religious nut. Suuuuure....

 

[FerrelGeek]

Snip

And for the OP, I realize you're trying to use this to attack liberals. But you're ignoring that a staunch liberal, Chris Matthews, is clearly disagreeing with this position the MAIG spokesman.

Agreed.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Wait - so if you vote republican only, go to church, but are against guns - you're a liberal religious nut. Suuuuure....

I was (mostly) being sarcastic. Most of the conservative church-going folk I know would be on the side of Chris Mathews here. Though many may not be 'gun lovers', the majority I know are very pro self defense.

 

[Juddog]

It's the mark of an easily confused mind - they need stereotypes to function. Same stupidity that created the theme of "if you don't agree with GWB you are a liberal."

Pro-gun moderates and liberals were a big part of why those recent control efforts fizzled out, wasn't just the NRA but good luck getting some to reconcile that with their love of stereotypes.

Yeah I'm getting a bit tired of this same old bullshit in P&N where if you do this, you're automatically labeled liberal, but if you do this, you're automatically conservative. People don't fall that evenly into little checkboxes on a chart that determines if they are liberal or conservative.

Real life is more complicated than that. My wife's extended family is all Republican, all the time. They all watch Fox news, they mostly go to church (except the newest generation), and half are pro gun and the other half are anti gun.

You can't just box everybody into stereotypes; there are a large amount of conservatives that espouse fiscal responsibility, socially conservative, that are against guns, and there are a large amount of liberals which are pro-gun.

The pro gun liberals I know of live in the bad section of town and if you don't have a gun then you're considered to be stupid because there is a high risk in that area of your house getting robbed. They are socially very liberal, fiscally liberal, but gun nuts, love to go camping, shooting at the range, etc..

 

[Juddog]

I was (mostly) being sarcastic. Most of the conservative church-going folk I know would be on the side of Chris Mathews here. Though many may not be 'gun lovers', the majority I know are very pro self defense.

My apologies, sarcasm meter is broken today.

 

[bshole]

No country in the world has a law supporting his view....

Guess you never heard of Japan.... even though I keep bringing it up. Guns absolutely banned. Murder rate 1/10th of ours.

The main point being that you made a point that is 100% not true and I have proven it as such. I did with this Nehalam on another thread where he claimed removing safety nets reduces the teen pregnancy rate (which I completely demolished with actual data from Africa). Just because a though pops into your head does it make it the truth, generall objective data is needed to back it up.

 

[Juddog]

Guess you never heard of Japan.... even though I keep bringing it up. Guns absolutely banned. Murder rate 1/10th of ours.

The main point being that you made a point that is 100% not true and I have proven it as such. I did with this Nehalam on another thread where he claimed removing safety nets reduces the teen pregnancy rate (which I completely demolished with actual data from Africa). Just because a though pops into your head does it make it the truth, generall objective data is needed to back it up.

Simply stated: "correlation does not equal causation".

 

[JTsyo]

So he thinks everyone should carry a second gun to ensure it's a fair fight?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Guess you never heard of Japan.... even though I keep bringing it up. Guns absolutely banned. Murder rate 1/10th of ours.

Completely different cultures. How many Americans would return large sums of money?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/22/world/la-fg-japan-returned-money-20110923

Japanese return cash recovered after tsunami

What followed is a testament to a culture of honesty and altruism: The Japanese have turned over more than $48 million in loose cash to authorities.

 

[Scotteq]

It's the mark of an easily confused mind - they need stereotypes to function. Same stupidity that created the theme of "if you don't agree with GWB you are a liberal."

Pro-gun moderates and liberals were a big part of why those recent control efforts fizzled out, wasn't just the NRA but good luck getting some to reconcile that with their love of stereotypes.

Gawd forbid we ever have people who are both Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal. The entire country might shut down from confusion...


On second thought - more likely such individuals would be logged, tapped, tailed, and drone~struck...

 

[BoberFett]

It's the mark of an easily confused mind - they need stereotypes to function. Same stupidity that created the theme of "if you don't agree with GWB you are a liberal."

Pro-gun moderates and liberals were a big part of why those recent control efforts fizzled out, wasn't just the NRA but good luck getting some to reconcile that with their love of stereotypes.

And as we all know, liberals hold no stereotypes of anybody else.....

 

[BoberFett]

Gawd forbid we ever have people who are both Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal. The entire country might shut down from confusion...


On second thought - more likely such individuals would be logged, tapped, tailed, and drone~struck...

They're called libertarians, and a prominent Republican governor recently called them terrorists. So yeah, basically.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Guess you never heard of Japan.... even though I keep bringing it up. Guns absolutely banned. Murder rate 1/10th of ours.

The main point being that you made a point that is 100% not true and I have proven it as such. I did with this Nehalam on another thread where he claimed removing safety nets reduces the teen pregnancy rate (which I completely demolished with actual data from Africa). Just because a though pops into your head does it make it the truth, generall objective data is needed to back it up.

Which is about their culture, not guns. I can show nations with high firearm saturation and murder rate 1/10th ours. I can also show nations with firearm bans and murder rates far higher than ours. It has nothing (causally) to do with firearms.

 

[Juddog]

And as we all know, liberals hold no stereotypes of anybody else.....

He said an "easily confused mind" - not liberals or conservatives. I guess you have an easily confused mind?

 

[bshole]

Which is about their culture, not guns. I can show nations with high firearm saturation and murder rate 1/10th ours. I can also show nations with firearm bans and murder rates far higher than ours. It has nothing (causally) to do with firearms.

you aren't getting it. I was responding to:

No country in the world has a law supporting his view

I posted that Japan does in fact HAVE a law supporting his view. She was materially wrong in her assertion of fact. I proved her incorrect in that assertion. With that assertion of fact demolished, her entire argument was likewise annihilated.

 

[Scotteq]

They're called libertarians, and a prominent Republican governor recently called them terrorists. So yeah, basically.

Ron Paul and company give my (NJ) Governor heartburn, too. /drumroll

 

[PrinceofWands]

you aren't getting it. I was responding to:



I posted that Japan does in fact HAVE a law supporting his view. She was materially wrong in her assertion of fact. I proved her incorrect in that assertion. With that assertion of fact demolished, her entire argument was likewise annihilated.

Then you're an idiot, because that has nothing to do with what's being discussed in the interview. In the interview it's 'you can't shoot someone unless they have a gun'. In Japan you can't even do that, because you can't have a gun at all. Meaning no nation has that law, and the comment originator is absolutely correct.

However I was responding to YOU. You didn't want to talk about the response, you wanted to infer, hence bringing up the 1/10th murder rate thing which has NOTHING to do with anything else.

So go fuck yourself you 45IQ worthless wise and beautiful woman, I don't have time for your ignorant bullshit.