Question Can't send emails with new ISP

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Recently I had fiber installed at my house. They provided a Nokia router/ONT/modem. I had them put it in bridge mode and disabled the wireless since I have my own TP Link Deco mesh system. When I am connected to the new ISP I can not send emails from my email client, Outlook (classic, not the new one). I still have my old ISP (Spectrum cable) service going as I didn't want to get rid of it until I was happy that the fiber was working well since it is new to the area. I do work from home a lot so I need it to be reliable.

If I connect my work laptop to my old ISP or my cell phone's hot spot I can send emails (and receive). When I connect to the fiber I can receive, but not send. I have tried multiple ports, 25, 587, and 465 and have the same results no matter what. The ISP, of course, says it is not on their end, despite everything working fine with my other options. Strangely enough my home UnRAID server is set up to send daily notification emails using GMAIL and port 587. That works fine.

Anyone have any ideas what I can try or tell the new ISP? I'm at a loss as to why this doesn't work.

 

[JackMDS]

I think that the old Outlook has now difficulties in its security acceptance and your new ISP has a btter more secure email deliver system.

As an example, using Verizon FIOS, if i try to send email from old outlook to gmail addresses there is no problem. On the other hand I have fs freinds that are University proffessors and if I try to email to them the University email servers will refuse to take it.

I think that the solution is switch to other, newer email application.


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[bba-tcg]

Recently I had fiber installed at my house. They provided a Nokia router/ONT/modem. I had them put it in bridge mode and disabled the wireless since I have my own TP Link Deco mesh system. When I am connected to the new ISP I can not send emails from my email client, Outlook (classic, not the new one). I still have my old ISP (Spectrum cable) service going as I didn't want to get rid of it until I was happy that the fiber was working well since it is new to the area. I do work from home a lot so I need it to be reliable.

If I connect my work laptop to my old ISP or my cell phone's hot spot I can send emails (and receive). When I connect to the fiber I can receive, but not send. I have tried multiple ports, 25, 587, and 465 and have the same results no matter what. The ISP, of course, says it is not on their end, despite everything working fine with my other options. Strangely enough my home UnRAID server is set up to send daily notification emails using GMAIL and port 587. That works fine.

Anyone have any ideas what I can try or tell the new ISP? I'm at a loss as to why this doesn't work.

Are you trying to use the Spectrum outgoing email servers or the new fiber servers?

 

[bba-tcg]

I think that the old Outlook has now difficulties in its security acceptance and your new ISP has a btter more secure email deliver system.

As an example, using Verizon FIOS, if i try to send email from old outlook to gmail addresses there is no problem. On the other hand I have fs freinds that are University proffessors and if I try to email to them the University email servers will refuse to take it.

I think that the solution is switch to other, newer email application.


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Your domain has probably been blacklisted by the University email servers. This is a common issue with universities. I run into the same thing. If I use gmail, the university recipients get the email. If I use the domain I have with Network Solutions, the email gets bounced.

 

[In2Photos]

I think that the old Outlook has now difficulties in its security acceptance and your new ISP has a btter more secure email deliver system.

As an example, using Verizon FIOS, if i try to send email from old outlook to gmail addresses there is no problem. On the other hand I have fs freinds that are University proffessors and if I try to email to them the University email servers will refuse to take it.

I think that the solution is switch to other, newer email application.


😎

I saw a mention of something similar. But rather than testing that theory with no way to revert back easily I downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird today to test and see if it would work. I couldn't get it to login to the servers regardless of what settings or ISP I used. Which is really weird.

Are you trying to use the Spectrum outgoing email servers or the new fiber servers?

So my work uses Spectrum Business for our internet and email services. So technically I am still trying to use the Spectrum servers since that hasn't changed.

 

[bba-tcg]

I saw a mention of something similar. But rather than testing that theory with no way to revert back easily I downloaded Mozilla Thunderbird today to test and see if it would work. I couldn't get it to login to the servers regardless of what settings or ISP I used. Which is really weird.


So my work uses Spectrum Business for our internet and email services. So technically I am still trying to use the Spectrum servers since that hasn't changed.

It's very possible that your new fiber service isn't communicating well with Spectrum. You should be able to use the outgoing server for the fiber Internet while still using your Spectrum email address.

Edit: it's easy enough to try and also easy to revert if it doesn't work.

 

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It's very possible that your new fiber service isn't communicating well with Spectrum. You should be able to use the outgoing server for the fiber Internet while still using your Spectrum email address.

Edit: it's easy enough to try and also easy to revert if it doesn't work.

I don't have any information for any email servers for the new ISP. I could try to use GMAIL or something though.

 

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I should also add that I can't send anything from my phone either for my work email, nor the personal Spectrum email address I have. The only email I have that I can send is a personal GMAIL account.

 

[bba-tcg]

I should also add that I can't send anything from my phone either for my work email, nor the personal Spectrum email address I have. The only email I have that I can send is a personal GMAIL account.

I would be confused if it wasn't that way.

I don't have any information for any email servers for the new ISP. I could try to use GMAIL or something though.

How hard can it be to acquire that information? You've already said the gmail servers work.

 

[In2Photos]

I would be confused if it wasn't that way.

How hard can it be to acquire that information? You've already said the gmail servers work.

I just tried it with using the Gmail servers. It isn't too bad, you just have to generate an "app password" in Google to use the Gmail servers rather than using your Google password. I did it and it works. So I'll roll with this workaround for now unless my ISP fixes their end.

 

[In2Photos]

OK, so just realized that when I use the GMAIL servers the outgoing email shows it coming from my personal gmail address and not my work email address. So this won't work long term.

 

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Still dealing with this. Of course both parties are saying it's the other party. I've spent several hours on the phone with Spectrum and they just told me to hire an IT professional to figure it out.

I've used this smtp test to try and see if I can connect. https://serverfault.com/questions/4...d-a-test-email-from-a-server-to-test-settings

When I connect with my old ISP I get connected, can authenticate, etc. As soon as I try the new ISP I can connect, but when I send the EHLO command I get disconnected.

 

[In2Photos]

At this point I think I'm going to have to either use a VPN and connect to my office network or get rid of the new fiber.

 

[manly]

So my work uses Spectrum Business for our internet and email services. So technically I am still trying to use the Spectrum servers since that hasn't changed.

I could be wrong, but what you're attempting is not going to work because some providers are very strict about limiting potential email abuse.

Although you're authenticating, you're trying to use Spectrum's SMTP servers but you're coming from NewFiberCo's end point. Spectrum is balking because they don't want to be relaying spam from another network.

I realize that you aren't a spammer, but email is one of those things that is much more complex than it appears and network operators have developed a large set of strategies to deal with it.

Receiving and sending are entirely different protocols, which is why you had success with fetching email (usually IMAP).

 

[bba-tcg]

I could be wrong, but what you're attempting is not going to work because some providers are very strict about limiting potential email abuse.

Although you're authenticating, you're trying to use Spectrum's SMTP servers but you're coming from NewFiberCo's end point. Spectrum is balking because they don't want to be relaying spam from another network.

I realize that you aren't a spammer, but email is one of those things that is much more complex than it appears and network operators have developed a large set of strategies to deal with it.

Receiving and sending are entirely different protocols, which is why you had success with fetching email (usually IMAP).

Yes, you can ordinarily fetch from anywhere.

Spectrum is the guilty party here whether they admit it or not. I have an att email account left over from a long time ago. I've changed Internet providers multiple times over the years but can still send email from that account through att's outgoing server because att allows it.

 

[In2Photos]

I could be wrong, but what you're attempting is not going to work because some providers are very strict about limiting potential email abuse.

Although you're authenticating, you're trying to use Spectrum's SMTP servers but you're coming from NewFiberCo's end point. Spectrum is balking because they don't want to be relaying spam from another network.

I realize that you aren't a spammer, but email is one of those things that is much more complex than it appears and network operators have developed a large set of strategies to deal with it.

Receiving and sending are entirely different protocols, which is why you had success with fetching email (usually IMAP).

I could understand that if this was a personal account, but this is a business account. We pay them, not only for Internet, but for email and website hosting.

And if this were the case why can I use those servers from my phone's service? From hotels? From other businesses? Those aren't Spectrum IPs.

I truly believe Spectrum is blocking me but I'm not savvy enough to prove it nor get someone on the phone willing to participate in the investigation.

 

[bba-tcg]

I could understand that if this was a personal account, but this is a business account. We pay them, not only for Internet, but for email and website hosting.

And if this were the case why can I use those servers from my phone's service? From hotels? From other businesses? Those aren't Spectrum IPs.

I truly believe Spectrum is blocking me but I'm not savvy enough to prove it nor get someone on the phone willing to participate in the investigation.

That's a question only Spectrum can really answer.

 

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That's a question only Spectrum can really answer.

And after 5 phone calls and about 5 hours I got no solution from them.

 

[bba-tcg]

And after 5 phone calls and about 5 hours I got no solution from them.

I suppose that there could be something misconfigured somewhere that the average tech support agent wouldn't be privy to. Making the presumption it's unintentional.

 

[manly]

I could understand that if this was a personal account, but this is a business account. We pay them, not only for Internet, but for email and website hosting.

And if this were the case why can I use those servers from my phone's service? From hotels? From other businesses? Those aren't Spectrum IPs.

I truly believe Spectrum is blocking me but I'm not savvy enough to prove it nor get someone on the phone willing to participate in the investigation.

I used to work for a small ISP, and bulk mail was always a serious problem. So all the participants developed somewhat elaborate, sometimes onerous, strategies to combat spammers.

We agree that Spectrum is blocking you, but I don't think they care enough to change their network policies. I have no idea how they decide which end points to filter from SMTP. When it comes to ports 25 and 587, a lot of providers are extremely restrictive.

 

[In2Photos]

I suppose that there could be something misconfigured somewhere that the average tech support agent wouldn't be privy to. Making the presumption it's unintentional.

I got escalated to the "leadership" group who was at least somewhat knowledgeable but eventually it fell on deaf ears.

I used to work for a small ISP, and bulk mail was always a serious problem. So all the participants developed somewhat elaborate, sometimes onerous, strategies to combat spammers.

We agree that Spectrum is blocking you, but I don't think they care enough to change their network policies. I have no idea how they decide which end points to filter from SMTP. When it comes to ports 25 and 587, a lot of providers are extremely restrictive.

They definitely don't care enough. What's really funny is that I only send, on average, 10-15 emails a day so I'd be a terrible spammer! 😂 And since sending emails requires authentication they can easily track the number of emails and see that I'm not doing anything nefarious.

 

[In2Photos]

So I figured out a workaround. The router we use at the office has OpenVPN and Wireguard on it. I set up an OpenVPN server and exported the configuration. I then installed the OpenVPN client on my computer and uploaded the configuration file. Connected to the VPN and boom, I could send emails. Now, this, obviously, meant that all of my internet traffic would go through the office, which is unnecessary and would just slow everything down on my end. Google's AI helped me change the OpenVPN config file to route only the traffic that has to go to the SMTP server through the VPN. I can tell it takes a little longer for the emails to send, but otherwise it is working just fine.

 

[biostud]

When I had to set up my parents computer at my house, I couldn't get their email sending mails. Outlook obviously didn't give any usable error code, then I tried Thunderbird which gave an error about being blocked. So I tried a VPN, and voila the email worked.

 

[In2Photos]

When I had to set up my parents computer at my house, I couldn't get their email sending mails. Outlook obviously didn't give any usable error code, then I tried Thunderbird which gave an error about being blocked. So I tried a VPN, and voila the email worked.

I did try a VPN before as well, but used some of the prelisted sites from the VPN company. I tried several US sites and a couple from Canada. That didn't work though.