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can't run updates on fedora- updated now with NEW rpoblem
- Thread starter tm37
- Start date
Sounds like it's possible that one of your RPM files has been corrupted in the download and won't install.
Hard to tell what is going on with out any error messages.
Try to run up2date from the command line. Often programs such as these will output extra information about what is happening onto what is called "standard out". which is basicly comments that get displayed to the command line. Unfortunately you don't normally see them if you just launch the app from a menu or taskbar in X.
another thing to try would be to use Yum
Yum performs the same function as up2date, and I prefer it. You should already have it installed, and it is compatable with running up2date on the same system. It's a command line based utility, but it actually fairly easy to use. You can also use to install new programs, and search aviable programs for keywords when looking for a program that you may not know about. Also 3rd party repositories such as Dag and FreshRPM's allow you to easily install programs thru their online repositories and that should still all work fine with up2date's little icon thing on the desktop. Shouldn't cause any issues.
To run these guys you have to become "root" or "superuser". Find the X terminal, should be in the application folder under system tools, although I prefer to have a launcher on my task bar which is a lot easier to get at.
Once you have that open and have access to the command line then you type in "su" or "su -" to become super user. This gives you administrative rights, but becaurefull there are now no restrictions to what you can do to your system once you become root. For instance you can delete the entire os by going "rm -rf /" and nothing will ever ask you if that's ok or not. It will just do it.
Then just type "up2date" to run the up2date command.
Then when you do that it should be able to give you something usefull, at least some errors. Or just use Yum and that may give you more usefull errors. Then it will make it easier to figure out what is going wrong. Like I said before I prefer Yum to up2date.
Hard to tell what is going on with out any error messages.
Try to run up2date from the command line. Often programs such as these will output extra information about what is happening onto what is called "standard out". which is basicly comments that get displayed to the command line. Unfortunately you don't normally see them if you just launch the app from a menu or taskbar in X.
another thing to try would be to use Yum
Yum performs the same function as up2date, and I prefer it. You should already have it installed, and it is compatable with running up2date on the same system. It's a command line based utility, but it actually fairly easy to use. You can also use to install new programs, and search aviable programs for keywords when looking for a program that you may not know about. Also 3rd party repositories such as Dag and FreshRPM's allow you to easily install programs thru their online repositories and that should still all work fine with up2date's little icon thing on the desktop. Shouldn't cause any issues.
To run these guys you have to become "root" or "superuser". Find the X terminal, should be in the application folder under system tools, although I prefer to have a launcher on my task bar which is a lot easier to get at.
Once you have that open and have access to the command line then you type in "su" or "su -" to become super user. This gives you administrative rights, but becaurefull there are now no restrictions to what you can do to your system once you become root. For instance you can delete the entire os by going "rm -rf /" and nothing will ever ask you if that's ok or not. It will just do it.
Then just type "up2date" to run the up2date command.
Then when you do that it should be able to give you something usefull, at least some errors. Or just use Yum and that may give you more usefull errors. Then it will make it easier to figure out what is going wrong. Like I said before I prefer Yum to up2date.
OK I tryed Yum and that worked.
But Now I get the following error when I log on
Error activating XKB configuration.
Probably internal X server problem.
X server version data:
The X.Org Foundation
60700000
If you report this situation as a bug, please include:
- The result of xprop -root | grep XKB
- The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb
WTF does this mean?
But Now I get the following error when I log on
Error activating XKB configuration.
Probably internal X server problem.
X server version data:
The X.Org Foundation
60700000
If you report this situation as a bug, please include:
- The result of xprop -root | grep XKB
- The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb
WTF does this mean?
Check out this site
Looks like the same problem.
There was a change over from XFree86 to Xorg's X server. They are mostly compatable. with the exception that XFree86 is a copywritted term so that part of the change over was replacing xfree86 term's with xorg's terms.
The old configuration file was called /etc/X11/XFree86, the new one is /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but it will use the old configuration if it's present. Usually they don't mess with custom configurations as a policy because if they have some automated program it can mangle configurations that people spent lots of time on. A little inconsistincy there though....
Your x configuration file is divided up into different sections, each section represents a different aspect of what the X server does for you. What your looking to fix is in the inputdevice section dealing with the keyboard. XKB = X KeyBoard
Make a copy of the configuration file before you edit it, so that if you make a mistake and get lost you can just copy the old one back and start over. (name it different, too. one of the options is to use the configuration file in you home directory if it's present.)
edit, thanks I was thinking in html again. Link fixed
Looks like the same problem.
There was a change over from XFree86 to Xorg's X server. They are mostly compatable. with the exception that XFree86 is a copywritted term so that part of the change over was replacing xfree86 term's with xorg's terms.
The old configuration file was called /etc/X11/XFree86, the new one is /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but it will use the old configuration if it's present. Usually they don't mess with custom configurations as a policy because if they have some automated program it can mangle configurations that people spent lots of time on. A little inconsistincy there though....
Your x configuration file is divided up into different sections, each section represents a different aspect of what the X server does for you. What your looking to fix is in the inputdevice section dealing with the keyboard. XKB = X KeyBoard
Make a copy of the configuration file before you edit it, so that if you make a mistake and get lost you can just copy the old one back and start over. (name it different, too. one of the options is to use the configuration file in you home directory if it's present.)
edit, thanks I was thinking in html again. Link fixed
Panther505
Senior member
I don't have the Xorg file only the Xfree86
The section on the Keboard is as followes
Section "InputDevice"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
# Option "Xleds" "1 2 3"
# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
# Option "XkbDisable"
# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
# Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
# Option "XkbModel" "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# or:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps"
# Or if you just want both to be control, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
#
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection
I have a microsoft office keyboard.
Do I just ant to change the Xkbrules to xorg ?
The section on the Keboard is as followes
Section "InputDevice"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
# Option "Xleds" "1 2 3"
# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
# Option "XkbDisable"
# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
# Option "XkbModel" "pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
# Option "XkbModel" "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# or:
# Option "XkbLayout" "de"
# Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps"
# Or if you just want both to be control, use:
# Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
#
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection
I have a microsoft office keyboard.
Do I just ant to change the Xkbrules to xorg ?
Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
to
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Ya that looks like. Not exactly sure if that's the problem. But it's worth a try. It probably is.
If you want to just remove the old XFree86 configuration and generate a new config the command is system-config-display. (move the old configuration somewere for backup and so it's out of the way.)
Also you have a GDM login that starts up automaticly when you run "runlevel" 5, which is default. You may need to shut this down completely, and the easiest way is to go to "runlevel" 3. The command is "telinit 3", and to get back it's "telinit 5". Look up runlevels, its worth knowing what they are and how they work.
That should restart everything to do with X Windows.
to
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Ya that looks like. Not exactly sure if that's the problem. But it's worth a try. It probably is.
If you want to just remove the old XFree86 configuration and generate a new config the command is system-config-display. (move the old configuration somewere for backup and so it's out of the way.)
Also you have a GDM login that starts up automaticly when you run "runlevel" 5, which is default. You may need to shut this down completely, and the easiest way is to go to "runlevel" 3. The command is "telinit 3", and to get back it's "telinit 5". Look up runlevels, its worth knowing what they are and how they work.
That should restart everything to do with X Windows.
OK I made the change and now the error message is gone after a reboot.
This system gets rebooted alot because my wife uses the XP partition to do all kinds of stuff on it like games and web browsing.
I prefer this interface to windows and It seems to be a bit quicker than my XP Main rig that has a faster porcessor. SO I am trying to learn this stuff.
The XP Main will remain as such because I play games on it BUT I would like to use Fedora to do my browsing and such and I really like the GNU cash program as well.
I am trying to learn but sometimes it takes time when you have been messing with this stuff so long. Hell I was afraid to make the switch to 95 😉
Thanks again for your help and I will keep trying here.
This system gets rebooted alot because my wife uses the XP partition to do all kinds of stuff on it like games and web browsing.
I prefer this interface to windows and It seems to be a bit quicker than my XP Main rig that has a faster porcessor. SO I am trying to learn this stuff.
The XP Main will remain as such because I play games on it BUT I would like to use Fedora to do my browsing and such and I really like the GNU cash program as well.
I am trying to learn but sometimes it takes time when you have been messing with this stuff so long. Hell I was afraid to make the switch to 95 😉
Thanks again for your help and I will keep trying here.
Sure sure.
There are tons and tons of newbie threads, sites, and howtos on the internet for Linux. Everything from simple command line commands, to kernel compiling for special/newer hardware, to kernel hacking and network programming.
Whatever you want. Literally littering the internet, google is your friend.
Check out the linux documentation project(www.tldp.org). If you go their check out the guide section for stuff and the howtos for specific subjects. Check out the the linux administration guide if your the type of guy were you like to know how stuff works a bit. Also bash beginners guide is usefull for learning howto deal with the command line-based bash shell. Nice for old DOS users, it's refreshing to use it because it's so modern and so old fashioned (in computer terms) at the same time.
There are tons and tons of newbie threads, sites, and howtos on the internet for Linux. Everything from simple command line commands, to kernel compiling for special/newer hardware, to kernel hacking and network programming.
Whatever you want. Literally littering the internet, google is your friend.
Check out the linux documentation project(www.tldp.org). If you go their check out the guide section for stuff and the howtos for specific subjects. Check out the the linux administration guide if your the type of guy were you like to know how stuff works a bit. Also bash beginners guide is usefull for learning howto deal with the command line-based bash shell. Nice for old DOS users, it's refreshing to use it because it's so modern and so old fashioned (in computer terms) at the same time.
I am trying to expand my knowledge on this as I feel that linux COULD be a viable Desktop for the masses ijn a few years.
I want to be ready.
I have alrerady had someone ask me about doing there system for them. I told them I +could get them set up But I would not support it.
They opted to stick w/ 98SE 😉
SO i do need to get up to snuff on this stuff.
I want to be ready.
I have alrerady had someone ask me about doing there system for them. I told them I +could get them set up But I would not support it.
They opted to stick w/ 98SE 😉
SO i do need to get up to snuff on this stuff.
Well that's how it goes.
For everyday use Linux does good. Web, email, simple games, instant messenger. Everything works fine.
For advanced users it's good, too. Multimedia tools aren't as slick but you get as good or better results. Programming is great, especially if your serious. The whole OS is one gigantic developement platform. Internet services, websites, streaming media, etc etc. All top notch. Cheap and stable.
No limits to how many users you can support, no hardware limits. Scales well from one 600mhz CPU to 16 IBM Power4 cpu's. From 64 megs of ram to 6400megs of ram. Whatever.
Even if it's not as fast in some ways to Windows you throw bunch of hardware at it and you'll still be ahead of the price game. Usually not nessicary.
Art, publishing and such is so-so. Not as good as what you can use professionally, but a lot better then the crap you get free with cdroms, or scanners.
It's everybody imbetween that will have a harder time with Linux generally then Windows. It's all about perceptions and people's MS filtered veiw of OSes.
Ask anybody what the C: drive is. You get a resonable answer in most places.
Ask the same people what the /mnt directory is commonly used for and 95% of everybody you ask will have no clue whatsoever.
Neither concept is any more difficult then the other if you realy think about it.
People are used to using Windows, they've been using DOS before that and windows is the only thing most people have ever seen. Everything that the average person has ever learned has been taught and controlled by Microsoft to a large extent. When learning MS you had a clean slate. Lots of people have taken classes on it, learned the terminology, learned the concepts.
With learning Linux people try to translate what they learned in MS Windows to what they see in Linux. Lots of it is completely different concepts about the same thing. So that's difficult to wrap you brain around.
Just think if for the past 10 years you've been using Linux instead of Windows. How weird and difficult would Windows seem? Seriously, extended usage of WinXP gives me horrible headaches.
For everyday use Linux does good. Web, email, simple games, instant messenger. Everything works fine.
For advanced users it's good, too. Multimedia tools aren't as slick but you get as good or better results. Programming is great, especially if your serious. The whole OS is one gigantic developement platform. Internet services, websites, streaming media, etc etc. All top notch. Cheap and stable.
No limits to how many users you can support, no hardware limits. Scales well from one 600mhz CPU to 16 IBM Power4 cpu's. From 64 megs of ram to 6400megs of ram. Whatever.
Even if it's not as fast in some ways to Windows you throw bunch of hardware at it and you'll still be ahead of the price game. Usually not nessicary.
Art, publishing and such is so-so. Not as good as what you can use professionally, but a lot better then the crap you get free with cdroms, or scanners.
It's everybody imbetween that will have a harder time with Linux generally then Windows. It's all about perceptions and people's MS filtered veiw of OSes.
Ask anybody what the C: drive is. You get a resonable answer in most places.
Ask the same people what the /mnt directory is commonly used for and 95% of everybody you ask will have no clue whatsoever.
Neither concept is any more difficult then the other if you realy think about it.
People are used to using Windows, they've been using DOS before that and windows is the only thing most people have ever seen. Everything that the average person has ever learned has been taught and controlled by Microsoft to a large extent. When learning MS you had a clean slate. Lots of people have taken classes on it, learned the terminology, learned the concepts.
With learning Linux people try to translate what they learned in MS Windows to what they see in Linux. Lots of it is completely different concepts about the same thing. So that's difficult to wrap you brain around.
Just think if for the past 10 years you've been using Linux instead of Windows. How weird and difficult would Windows seem? Seriously, extended usage of WinXP gives me horrible headaches.
^ drag speaks the good word 🙂
I was windows XP exclusivly until I HAD to learn Linux for school ... and now I dont even use windows XP at all ...
It looks better (way better), runs faster, supports reiserfs filesystem, everything is free ... apt-get is amazing, programming is a breeze, and if you HAVE to have windows for an app .. use wine. The only thing not quite yet supported is writing to an NTFS drive.
I was windows XP exclusivly until I HAD to learn Linux for school ... and now I dont even use windows XP at all ...
It looks better (way better), runs faster, supports reiserfs filesystem, everything is free ... apt-get is amazing, programming is a breeze, and if you HAVE to have windows for an app .. use wine. The only thing not quite yet supported is writing to an NTFS drive.
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