Can't get new ABIT IP35 Pro & Q6600 build stable.

[BroadbandGamer]

I've got a new ABIT IP35 Pro, Q6600 (G0 Stepping), and 2x2GB Corsair XMS2 (TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX).

I tried running 3DMark2001 SE (Nature) and it locked up after less than a minute.

I haven't changed any CPU or Memory settings in the BIOS. Can you guys look over these BIOS and CPU-Z pics and tell me what's going on and what I should change?

I don't want to overclock anything right now. I just want to get everything set to where is's suppose to be.

My RAM is rated at 5-5-5-18 1.8v.

ABIT IP35 Pro

BTW, this is my first new PC build in a while. I'm completely lost when it comes to all these CPU and Memory settings.

 

[T2k]

Shees. Time to do your homework: http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=147164

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: T2k
Shees. Time to do your homework: http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=147164

THanks! I'll look over that guide but can you please take a quick look at my BIOS and CPU-Z pics and tell me what may be the problem?

I'm leaning towards my RAM. I changed it from SPD to Manual and set it to 5-5-5-18 and my computer won't even POST.

Also, my External Clock is showing 272MHz. Shouldn't that be reading 266MHz?

 

[kenrippy]

how bout giving us a full rundown on all of your hardware in this system?

most likely a ram voltage/timing issue though. these boards undervolt a little, so giving the ram and cpu a tad more juice (more likely just the ram) might fix it. you might also have to up the MCH voltage one or two notches.

i'm running 4x1gb in my ip35 pro and needed to set the MCH to 1.33v

 

[BroadbandGamer]

I'll try adjusting the voltage.

I'm confused about the DRAM Speed (CPU : DRAM) setting. I've got it set to 1:1.0 (DDR-532). Is this the correct setting for DDR2-800?

BTW, thanks for the help.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I'll try adjusting the voltage.

I'm confused about the DRAM Speed (CPU : DRAM) setting. I've got it set to 1:1.0 (DDR-532). Is this the correct setting for DDR2-800?

BTW, thanks for the help.

No, it would be "1:1.5"

But if you plan on increasing the bus speed, then you need to revert back to 1:1 first, then after you determined the CPU is stable, you can move to 1:20 or 1:25 or something like that to get it running at 800Mhz.

1:1 simply means it matches the DDR base speed (800Mhz / 2 = 400Mhz) to the bus speed 1066Mhz / 4 = 266Mhz. Intel's bus is quad pumped, and the DDR2 is double data rate.

I am currently running an IP35-E (neutered version of your board) with a Q6600 B3 @ 3.5Ghz. On air, I was able to achieve 3.33Ghz @ 1.38v

Have fun!

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I'll try adjusting the voltage.

I'm confused about the DRAM Speed (CPU : DRAM) setting. I've got it set to 1:1.0 (DDR-532). Is this the correct setting for DDR2-800?

BTW, thanks for the help.

No, it would be "1:1.5"

But if you plan on increasing the bus speed, then you need to revert back to 1:1 first, then after you determined the CPU is stable, you can move to 1:20 or 1:25 or something like that to get it running at 800Mhz.

1:1 simply means it matches the DDR base speed (800Mhz / 2 = 400Mhz) to the bus speed 1066Mhz / 4 = 266Mhz. Intel's bus is quad pumped, and the DDR2 is double data rate.

I am currently running an IP35-E (neutered version of your board) with a Q6600 B3 @ 3.5Ghz. On air, I was able to achieve 3.33Ghz @ 1.38v

Have fun!

Thanks! I appreciate the help.

I had my RAM set to 1.8v which is what Corsair shows on their pdf for my RAM. Well, it looks like the RAM is actually suppose to run at 2.1. I set it to 2.1v and I was running dmark2001se nature without any problems.

So I'll go ahead and change my DRAM Speed to 1:1.5.

Thanks again guys!

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I'll try adjusting the voltage.

I'm confused about the DRAM Speed (CPU : DRAM) setting. I've got it set to 1:1.0 (DDR-532). Is this the correct setting for DDR2-800?

BTW, thanks for the help.

No, it would be "1:1.5"

But if you plan on increasing the bus speed, then you need to revert back to 1:1 first, then after you determined the CPU is stable, you can move to 1:20 or 1:25 or something like that to get it running at 800Mhz.

1:1 simply means it matches the DDR base speed (800Mhz / 2 = 400Mhz) to the bus speed 1066Mhz / 4 = 266Mhz. Intel's bus is quad pumped, and the DDR2 is double data rate.

I am currently running an IP35-E (neutered version of your board) with a Q6600 B3 @ 3.5Ghz. On air, I was able to achieve 3.33Ghz @ 1.38v

Have fun!

Thanks! I appreciate the help.

I had my RAM set to 1.8v which is what Corsair shows on their pdf for my RAM. Well, it looks like the RAM is actually suppose to run at 2.1. I set it to 2.1v and I was running dmark2001se nature without any problems.

So I'll go ahead and change my DRAM Speed to 1:1.5.

Thanks again guys!

Hehehehhh...creative marketing. Crucial and Kingston normally don't play this game. If they claim 1.8V, then there's a very good chance that the RAMs will run at 1.8v with your rig. Why do you think many DELLs and HPs come with Crucial, Kingston, and Samsung RAMs?

Someone here said that HP is using Foxconn boards.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Crap. 3dmark2001se nature is still crashing.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

But you're seeing improvement with 2.1V? Try 2.1 with 5-5-5-15-2T timing. If problem persists, then reset CMOS and retest at default settings. We will let the SPD to auto configure voltage and timing.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

I've been running Prime95 for over 4 hours with no errors. My core temps have been Core 0:68, Core 1: 60, Core 2: 68, Core 3: 60. Not sure why Cores 0 & 2 are hotter. Should I be worried?

So I can run Prime95 for over 4 hours but 3dmark2001se Nature demo will only run for about 5 minutes and my computer locks up.

So what do you guys think it could be? Do you think 3dmark2001se could be the problem? Could it have something to do with my video card? I've been running the same card in my old system for over a year without any problems.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Did you plug in the Auxilery power? It is possible the graphics card is not getting enough power, though it does seem unlikely.

P95 Small FFT = CPU only

P95 Large FFT = Mostly CPU, but some Ram

P95 Mix Mode = Lots of ram

So, it is entirely possibly to pass the CPU portion of the test, and fail at the memory. Which would explain why you can run P95 without error, but then have 3DMark lock up on you.

So, judging from what you are describing, I would say the memory timings are off, possibly not enough voltage to it, and or the power supply is not giving enough power.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Did you plug in the Auxilery power? It is possible the graphics card is not getting enough power, though it does seem unlikely.

P95 Small FFT = CPU only

P95 Large FFT = Mostly CPU, but some Ram

P95 Mix Mode = Lots of ram

So, it is entirely possibly to pass the CPU portion of the test, and fail at the memory. Which would explain why you can run P95 without error, but then have 3DMark lock up on you.

So, judging from what you are describing, I would say the memory timings are off, possibly not enough voltage to it, and or the power supply is not giving enough power.

I'm running Prime95 in Blend mode.

I've had the memory up to 2.2v with no luck. I've also had the timings set to SPD and 5-5-5-18.

I'll go ahead and plug in that auxiliary power and see what happens.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I've been running Prime95 for over 4 hours with no errors. My core temps have been Core 0:68, Core 1: 60, Core 2: 68, Core 3: 60. Not sure why Cores 0 & 2 are hotter. Should I be worried?

So I can run Prime95 for over 4 hours but 3dmark2001se Nature demo will only run for about 5 minutes and my computer locks up.

So what do you guys think it could be? Do you think 3dmark2001se could be the problem? Could it have something to do with my video card? I've been running the same card in my old system for over a year without any problems.

GPU could overheat. Run with the case open and air blowing on the GPU. Did you run the CPU at default voltage and speed? Do so to take it out of the equation.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I've been running Prime95 for over 4 hours with no errors. My core temps have been Core 0:68, Core 1: 60, Core 2: 68, Core 3: 60. Not sure why Cores 0 & 2 are hotter. Should I be worried?

So I can run Prime95 for over 4 hours but 3dmark2001se Nature demo will only run for about 5 minutes and my computer locks up.

So what do you guys think it could be? Do you think 3dmark2001se could be the problem? Could it have something to do with my video card? I've been running the same card in my old system for over a year without any problems.

GPU could overheat. Run with the case open and air blowing on the GPU. Did you run the CPU at default voltage and speed? Do so to take it out of the equation.

There is no way a 8800GTX would overheat during 3Dmark01. That is a CPU bound benchmark at this point. Besides, his GTX ran just fine in his other system for over a year. I think it is safe to say his GTX is just fine. More likely it could be the result of a PSU, or his Auxilery not plugged in.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: BroadbandGamer
I've been running Prime95 for over 4 hours with no errors. My core temps have been Core 0:68, Core 1: 60, Core 2: 68, Core 3: 60. Not sure why Cores 0 & 2 are hotter. Should I be worried?

So I can run Prime95 for over 4 hours but 3dmark2001se Nature demo will only run for about 5 minutes and my computer locks up.

So what do you guys think it could be? Do you think 3dmark2001se could be the problem? Could it have something to do with my video card? I've been running the same card in my old system for over a year without any problems.

GPU could overheat. Run with the case open and air blowing on the GPU. Did you run the CPU at default voltage and speed? Do so to take it out of the equation.

I've been running the CPU at default voltage and up to 1.37.

I've been running it this whole time with the side panel off. I really don't think it's my GPU overheating. I've had this 8800 GTX in this same case for over a year and have never had a problem. I've done hours and hours of gaming and it's never overheated.

Do you guys think this motherboard might not like my 2GB sticks? I've got RAM in 1GB sticks and 2GB sticks on ABIT's tested list coming tomorrow.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

If CPU is at default voltage and speed, then bump Vdimm to 2.1 and use 5-5-5-15-2T timing. If problem persists, then run Memtest86 test#5 for 50 loops to check RAMs. The last option is clean install windows and retest, or try Crucial or Kingston 1.8V DDR2 800 RAMs.

 

[jjmIII]

Have you considered testing with a newer version of 3Dmark?? Why test with 01??

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: jjmIII
Have you considered testing with a newer version of 3Dmark?? Why test with 01??

3DMark2001SE is the only version I have that lets me pick a test and run it in a loop. 2001SE is pretty old but it should still run without any problems, correct?

I did run 3DMark06 and didn't encounter any problems. I scored 11842 with a 3835 CPU score. I'm beginning to think it's an isolated problem with 3DMark2001SE. My system hasn't locked up with any other test.

I ran Prime95 (Blend) for 5.5 hours without any errors. The highest core temp was 68C (stock HSF). I also ran ATITool for 63 minutes without any problems. My GPU topped out at 78C.

So I guess I'll throw Memtest86 at it next and see what happens. I'm also going to try running the Crysis multiplayer BETA and TF2.

BTW, how accurate are CoreTemp temp readings?

 

[Binky]

I normally don't comment that temps are too hot because i'm afraid to ever agree with the "ZOMG, my cpu idles at 23C, it's too hot" loonies. But in your case, I'd be wondering if your temps are causing instability. I wouldn't worry about 68C load temps unless there is also instability, which you have. Are you crashing only when it's that hot, or do you also crash before it tops out at 68C?

You are also at stock speeds for that quad, correct? I don't have access to a Q6600, but 68C at stock speeds sounds high. Consider the possiblity that your stock heatsink isn't mounted securely. The stock push pins do work, but they can take a few installations for you to truly understand when they click down securely, and when you got a whimpy click that means it really isnt locked down like it should be.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Originally posted by: Binky
I normally don't comment that temps are too hot because i'm afraid to ever agree with the "ZOMG, my cpu idles at 23C, it's too hot" loonies. But in your case, I'd be wondering if your temps are causing instability. I wouldn't worry about 68C load temps unless there is also instability, which you have. Are you crashing only when it's that hot, or do you also crash before it tops out at 68C?

You are also at stock speeds for that quad, correct? I don't have access to a Q6600, but 68C at stock speeds sounds high. Consider the possiblity that your stock heatsink isn't mounted securely. The stock push pins do work, but they can take a few installations for you to truly understand when they click down securely, and when you got a whimpy click that means it really isnt locked down like it should be.

Yeah, I had a real problem with those push pins. IMO, the push pins suck! I could have sworn I had the HSF mounted properly the first time. I pushed so damn hard on the pins I was worried about damaging something. The first time I mounted the HSF the BIOS was showing 70C at idle. I remounted the HSF and the BIOS now reads 35-40C at idle.

I'm not sure what's going on with 2001SE because I just finished running UT3 and it ran smooth as glass. I think my GPU got up to 71C and my CPU was below 60C. I can't imagine 2001SE stressing my system more than UT3. So I'm thinking it's some kind of software issue because it hasn't crashed running anything else.

I do want to get a new HSF but there's just too many out there and I don't want to get too crazy. I may try and bump my Q6600 up to 3GHz down the road. So if anyone has a good HSF recommendation that isn't too crazy like the Big Typhoon.

 

[bryanW1995]

tuniq tower. I've seen them as cheap as $45 online shipped. very easy install (though you need the board out of the case) and cools better than any other air except TR ultra 120 extreme. You can save $15-$20 off that with an AC freezer pro.

I've had problems with 2 of my systems on speedfan while the rest run it just fine. My work computers are almost identical (both are dimension c521, but one has an x2 3600 and the other is a month newer with an x2 4000), but one of them can't run cpu-z for more than 5 minutes while the other runs it 24/7 rock solid stable. go figure. maybe I should use driver cleaner

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
tuniq tower. I've seen them as cheap as $45 online shipped. very easy install (though you need the board out of the case) and cools better than any other air except TR ultra 120 extreme. You can save $15-$20 off that with an AC freezer pro.

I agree, although how much cooling you'll need depends on how high you're wanting to overclock. My G0 Q6600 only got up to 54 or 55C on the hottest core, while running dual Orthos small fft's, with the stock heatsink, but with the case side panel attached. Try reattaching your side panel; I'm willing to bet that your temps will drop some. If they don't, you likely don't have all 4 pins seated on your heatsink.

BTW, you don't need to remove a heatsink, to finish seating the pins. Just remove the motherboard from the case, hold one hand the processor socket, and use the other hand to push on the pin. After you've put 30-40 pounds of pressure on each, look at them, and make sure that they all look the same (they're all seated completely, in other words).

 

[Binky]

...You don't need anything better than the stock cooler to run at stock speeds. You don't even need anything better to do a moderate overclock.

 

[BroadbandGamer]

Looks like my problem was the RAM. Apparently, my mobo doesn't like the Corsiar. I swapped it out for some G.Skill 2x2GB DDR2800 and it's running perfectly. Also, the timings are a little faster and the G.Skill was a lot cheaper! I'm going to get hit with a 15% restock free by newegg on the Corsair. :|

Also, I swapped out my stock Intel HSF for a ASUS Triton 70 and my load temps on the hotter cores dropped 15C. So at full load my hottest cores topped out at 59C.