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The chip shortage is getting worse
The semiconductor supply crunch came for cars and phones. Now consumers are facing higher prices.
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Makes sense.
Scarcity is a manufactured phenomena in this day and age.
I think that you guy are missing something.Not sure we need yet another thread on this. Card availability directly follows mining trends. Sure a shortage made it a bit worse this time, but if mining did not exist, cards would have been available for reasonable prices.
Back is 2017/2018, when BTC was hitting ATHs and mining was a "thing", sure, prices on cards rose. But they remained available for purchase, "new".
Edit: Look here - laptop prices are up - is that "due to miners" too, LOL?
no you could not find a 1080 / 1070 / 1060 for the life of you @ MSRP
Even the 980ti, 970 and 960's were hard pressed.
The ONLY gpu you could buy @ MSRP was the Titan V.
Because no one wanted a 3500 dollar card.
Do you not even recall my nightmare experience with DIGITAL RIVER and Nvidia store screwing my order saying the TitanXP was in stock and then stiffing me the card after charging me front hand?
Here 2018, and we were still seeing massive shortages....
DO NOT BUY from NVidia Direct.
So let me tell you guys my experience with their online garbage of what they call a store. Going against my better judgement on SLI, I decided to get another Titan Xp. 1. I placed an order for another Titan Xp. It said it was in stock, and its even listed as in stock on their web page now...forums.anandtech.com
RX480.... Radeon VII.... u didn't even see these on the shelves until the RX580 came out, and Radeon VII are still difficult to come by.
New... does not mean scalper prices.. you can get new now @ scaplers prices... only this time its a LOT worse then 2017 scalper prices because MSRP for gpu's have increased almost 100% because NVidia realized people will pay near scalper prices.
Your statement has very little support from what i remember that market at during 2017.
Inventory only started opening at the close to Turing launch.
I remember this clearly, because that crypto burnout was one of the reasons that gave nvidia an excuse to bump the 2080 prices to its all time highest prices for top tier GPU.
sigh.... and you call yourself a miner... you should know the reason to this first hand...
Or if AMD/Nvidia had enough wafers (and all the other things they need) they could produce multiple times more GPUs per month and satisfy both markets, we would have a few months of a little worse supply maybe but there would always be enough GPUs at MSRP or you would only have to wait for the next batch to come out in a month not after 6months or whatever it is now.Yep, Larry must be forgetting that it was almost the exact same back during the last mining boom. As I said in another thread, if people were limited to only buying 1-2 cards per person there would not be a problem finding a card at/near msrp over 6 months past release.
Or if AMD/Nvidia had enough wafers (and all the other things they need) they could produce multiple times more GPUs per month and satisfy both markets, we would have a few months of a little worse supply maybe but there would always be enough GPUs at MSRP or you would only have to wait for the next batch to come out in a month not after 6months or whatever it is now.
That's what we have seen with intel, during the whole supply issues time intel was able to produce as much product as they needed for the market without having to increase prices.
That presumes that there is any end to the demand for mining GPUs. They're a money printing machine, people will buy every single one they can get their hands on. "The more you buy, the more you save", hah.
If supply tripled, there would still be shortages, but there would also be three times the planet killing pollution. Mining should be banned.
Well and that presumes that miners have infinite money and can just buy all the cards (and electricity) as soon as they are produced and also have no fear of crypto collapse at all.That presumes that there is any end to the demand for mining GPUs. They're a money printing machine, people will buy every single one they can get their hands on. "The more you buy, the more you save", hah.
If supply tripled, there would still be shortages, but there would also be three times the planet killing pollution. Mining should be banned.
intel increased their revenue from 70 to 77 bil in the last two years WHILE they dropped their margins from 30 to 25%Exactly. Hardly anyone is going out trying to buy as many rocket lake motheboards and CPUs as they can get their hands on. They're typically buying 1 of each. Intel and AMD both often have low supply on release, but typically 6 months post-release there is almost no issue buying them.
intel increased their revenue from 70 to 77 bil in the last two years WHILE they dropped their margins from 30 to 25%
No matter what and how many of it people bought, bottom line is that intel had enough product to sell.
Intel annual revenue for 2020 was $77.867B, a 8.2% increase from 2019.Intel Revenue 2010-2023 | INTC
Intel annual/quarterly revenue history and growth rate from 2010 to 2023. Revenue can be defined as the amount of money a company receives from its customers in exchange for the sales of goods or services. Revenue is the top line item on an income statement from which all costs and expenses are...www.macrotrends.net
Intel annual revenue for 2019 was $71.965B, a 1.58% increase from 2018.
Intel annual revenue for 2018 was $70.848B, a 12.89% increase from 2017.
Edit: Look here - laptop prices are up - is that "due to miners" too, LOL?
But the non-commercial miners, are limited in terms of power, space, and heat-dissipation capacity, as to how many cards they can effectively "Scale up to", without building a shed/outbuilding, and getting it wired up with a secondary power service (which some of the more serious miners have done).That presumes that there is any end to the demand for mining GPUs. They're a money printing machine, people will buy every single one they can get their hands on.
But isn't that just the American Way, of commerce?"The more you buy, the more you save", hah.
But the non-commercial miners, are limited in terms of power, space, and heat-dissipation capacity, as to how many cards they can effectively "Scale up to", without building a shed/outbuilding, and getting it wired up with a secondary power service (which some of the more serious miners have done).
To my credit, I've sold/given away like 5-6 cards so far, all in working condition. To "real" gamers. NOT at "scalper prices".But even the average miner getting 10-15 cards.... that is 10 cards at least that could of went to a real gamer.
You are discussing a particular segment and supply on release because AMD and nvidia only produce enough for the one release.That is not relevant at all. We're discussing a particular segment and supply on release. Your figures are for everything over an entire year.