Can't do 3200+???

Corey0808

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I'm trying to overclock my Barton 2500+ to a 3200+. I ran memtest all last night (5 and a half hours) with no errors so RAM isn't a problem. I have my CPU voltage set to 1.825 and it fails the test immediately. Have I hit and passed the wall? Please help....

I can also pass 3dMark 2001SE with ease
 

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Originally posted by: McArra
Wellcome to the 3 partner "I can't hit 3200+" club :beer:
Hehe, i don't want to piss off John by mentioning it again but I hope you're including me in that 3 partner ;) My 2500+ is so far maxing out at high 180's on my NF7-S, and voltage doesn't help it get up. I'm thinking of swapping for a mobile 2500+, since at 2050 MHZ I estimate my rating at around 2900+.
I have my CPU voltage set to 1.825 and it fails the test immediately. Have I hit and passed the wall? Please help....

I can also pass 3dMark 2001SE with ease
Same thing for me. 3dmark passes at 1.7 volts, but even as high as 1.825 my system shuts itself down IMMEDIATELY when I try to run Prime 95 test 1.
 

beatle

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Yup, my 2500+ never made it to 3200+ either. So far I've had 3 relatively poor overclocking chips in a row. 1700+, 2500+ and 2.6C. None of which made it to their "standard" overclock.
 

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What's so big about prime95?
Mine didn't go through prime95 but it has not caused any problems so far. I'm running a program which uses cpu 99% 24/7.
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JJET
 

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Originally posted by: jjet67
What's so big about prime95?
Mine didn't go through prime95 but it has not caused any problems so far. I'm running a program which uses cpu 99% 24/7.
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JJET
For me I just hate to know that it's not perfectly stable, and if it fails P95, it's not.
 

Corey0808

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I'm using Mushkin Lvl1 PC3500 RAM (2x256Mb) I've ran memtest for over 6 hours at 3200 plus and I have generated no errors what so ever so I know this isn't the problem. My northbridge cooler seems to be working properly and I don't think my CPU is cracked. Wouldn't it not run if it was cracked? I've only had it for 3 weeks or so I wish someone would buy it off me so I could go get myself a mobile 2500+ but I can't afford to buy it right now unless I Sell it. Any other ideas please let me know....
 

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You might try to set a 200fsb at about 9x multiplier to test if your system can handle high fsb or not. If wont work at 9x200, then surely wont work at 11x200 . Hopefully your cpu is not multiplier locked. Good Luck.
 

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Originally posted by: Corey0808
I'm using Mushkin Lvl1 PC3500 RAM (2x256Mb) I've ran memtest for over 6 hours at 3200 plus and I have generated no errors what so ever so I know this isn't the problem. My northbridge cooler seems to be working properly and I don't think my CPU is cracked. Wouldn't it not run if it was cracked? I've only had it for 3 weeks or so I wish someone would buy it off me so I could go get myself a mobile 2500+ but I can't afford to buy it right now unless I Sell it. Any other ideas please let me know....
Maybe you can return it to seller and pay restocking fee? We're in the same boat. I've tried everything. My chip WILL NOT run even close to 3200+, and yours probably won't either. I supsected that raising ram or chipset voltage would have no beneficial effect (afterall this is a cpu shortcoming, not a mem/chipset one), but I tried anyway, and to no benefit. My CPU simply will not do it.

 

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first off, set everythiing in the bios to its default, and then just set ur fsb to 400. from there, the computer should set ur computer automatically to 3200+ when u reboot, depending on your motherboard. if not, then raise the multiplier with the 400 fsb. with my experiences with overclocking the 2500, i've always been successful with its ease. i personally hting the abit nf7 class motherboards are the easiest to oc the 2500 to 3200 with.
 

Corey0808

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That's really too bad for us that can't do it :( :( I hope I can return it and pay restocking fee... That would be great I'll email newegg and check they probably won't do it though. If not I'll just try and sell it and get myself a mobile :) Until then I'm going to try and see how high I can take this puppy and pass prime95
 

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Originally posted by: Corey0808
That's really too bad for us that can't do it :( :( I hope I can return it and pay restocking fee... That would be great I'll email newegg and check they probably won't do it though. If not I'll just try and sell it and get myself a mobile :) Until then I'm going to try and see how high I can take this puppy and pass prime95
Newegg says Special ordered items are not refundable. All items come with manufacturers warranty only. Refurbished items come with 15-day warranty only. All refunds require 15% restocking fee. Do not remove any labels from any parts or it will result in your warranty being void. Any wrong or damaged item must be reported within 7 days. No refund after 30 days, NO CPU REFUND AFTER 7 DAYS, no exceptions.Well apparently we're both screwed and have to be happy with what we have. My cpu at 2900-3000 is actually quite fast anyway, so maybe down the line I can get a much better mobile CPU, and just remain content with it for now.
 

myocardia

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Skoorb, sending back a cpu for another cpu isn't a refund, my man, it's an exchange. Call their 800 number, and you can send that one back, in exchange for a mobile Barton.
 

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I also was not able to exceed 187 fsb but fixed the problem last night. It turns out that I needed to change the Memory Timings. I have HyperX Ram and the correct timing settings for it is 2,3,2,6,1, the factory default settings were 2,2,2,5,1 which were wrong. You need to go to the ram manufacturers website and find the EXACT timing for your specific model. I was beginning to think I had a bad chip and was on the verge of settling for 187 fsb. I am now running at 200 FSB passed Prime 95 at default Voltage. Don't be so eager to pump up the voltage and don't give up!

Gene
 

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Maybe I am confused, but I thought that the 2500 to 3200 OC was through FSB only.. No messing with voltage or anything.. If your mobo can make it run at 400fsb, then you will have a chip that runs at 3200 like it was made to do that. What is the hold up with these? This is scaring me away from getting the barton :/
 

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Originally posted by: Geneman7
I also was not able to exceed 187 fsb but fixed the problem last night. It turns out that I needed to change the Memory Timings. I have HyperX Ram and the correct timing settings for it is 2,3,2,6,1, the factory default settings were 2,2,2,5,1 which were wrong. You need to go to the ram manufacturers website and find the EXACT timing for your specific model. I was beginning to think I had a bad chip and was on the verge of settling for 187 fsb. I am now running at 200 FSB passed Prime 95 at default Voltage. Don't be so eager to pump up the voltage and don't give up!

Gene
Wow! Thank you so much for that. My CPU just can't run 188, but 187 seems to be sweet. I am still somewhat convinced that there is something amiss, because it seems to go much higher on FSB and ALMOST be ok, but just not quite. I will do what you recommended and give it a try tonight. Also, I noticed that my heatsink grease was applied badly - it was in fact a pad/grease thing that came with the heatsink, so I'm picking up some real stuff today to see about that. If I can hit 3200+ I'll be rosy.

BTW What board do you have and what would happen past the 187? For me in most cases the system would shutdown immediately with funky beeping, which is quite unlike my past experiences with overclocking, which would generally result in freezes and/or errors/bluescreen, etc. if I pushed too hard.
Maybe I am confused, but I thought that the 2500 to 3200 OC was through FSB only.. No messing with voltage or anything.. If your mobo can make it run at 400fsb, then you will have a chip that runs at 3200 like it was made to do that. What is the hold up with these? This is scaring me away from getting the barton :/
You're almost correct. The problem is that sometimes a 166 FSB chip (like the 2500+) can't run 100% stably at 200 fsb (3200+), and generally the first and simplest step for OCing stability is to just raise the voltage. It's this way with AMDs and with intels. Voltage is only beneficial to an extent, but generally if you've got a setup that runs "almost right" at 200 FSB and default voltage you've got a great chance of rock solid stability with a humble voltage bump. Of course there are many cases of 2500+ running at 3200+ at default voltage. If you go to cpudatabase.com you'll see that most of the people there are giving small voltage bumps to their CPU to gain stability, often well past 3200+. Default is 1.65. Up to 1.8 is considered acceptable for long term use by almost everybody, and above that it's up to personal prefereance, as to whether your small increase in power is worth the extra volts going through the chip long term.

 

TGHI

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My 2600+ gets there without a problem (11 * 200). Didn't even have to change the voltage.
 

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Hi Skoorb, you wrote "For me in most cases the system would shutdown immediately with funky beeping, which is quite unlike my past experiences with overclocking, which would generally result in freezes and/or errors/bluescreen, etc. if I pushed too hard."

Sounds like it could be the warning for high temps. Check you high temp warning and shut down in bios.

Heat could be enemy in your OC attempts.

Sounds like your re-doing the thermal paste for cpu heatsink. If your taking the mobo out of the case, check out the paste under the NB too. It usually just a blob covering the NB only partially. Could help to redo paste there too.

Good Luck,


BTW, FSB @ 187 is a "sweet spot" for my Barton too. I can boot etc at 200, but fails Prime. Awaiting new HSF to eliminate heat as a problem and will push for 200 again when it arrives