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INemtsev

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I wanna build myself an average rig to game on...
So far I got the following parts:

Cpu?
ASus A7N8X Deluxe
OCZ 256x2 DDR400 Ram
WD 80gig 8meg HDD
Saphire Radeon 9500 Pro

I wanna try overclocking I heard 2500 and 1700 are good.... so which is better for me....
Anyone recommend anything?
 
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either one will not dissapoint. the 1700+ over at excaliber are like $62, $30 cheaper than a 2500+. the three i got from them all hit 2.3 ghz
 
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the extra cache on the barton gives about a 3-4% boost. therefore, a 2.3 ghz 1700+ @ 200 mhz fsb is about a 3200+
 
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JoeCDaMan

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from what I've read both are extremely well suited for OCing but I think a main factor is the base speed, the 2500+ is obviously faster. I just placed an order for a 2700+ because I heard that t-breds are better suited for overclocking than bartons are. the 2500+ is a barton and so is the 2800+ but the 1700 and the 2700 are not, they are T-breds. but this is all just from what other people have posted. I hope that helps a little bit
 
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Soulkeeper

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I would say the extra boost from the added cache is a lot more than 3-4%
of course it depends on the apps you run but the cache would probably make it seem like an extra 100-200mhz in most apps

that's why i'm getting a 2500+
get the 1700+ if you want to save the extra 50 bucks
 
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Soulkeeper

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i noticed they didn't have an office or general use type benchmark but anything that can fit in the cache and operate from there will surely see a wider margin of performance benefit

but yeah i agree most games won't see much of any performance increase
the P4 does benefit from added cache quite a bit more

 
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Soulkeeper has a good point about the type of apps having an effect on actual speed improvement.

I've seen posts by people runnin' DC projects like SETI where they were seeing a 25% drop in WU times due to the extra cache! I'd bet you'd see a large drop in processing time for other programs doing repetitive caculations, such as SPC programs used in industry.
 
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4x4expy

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Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
i noticed they didn't have an office or general use type benchmark but anything that can fit in the cache and operate from there will surely see a wider margin of performance benefit

but yeah i agree most games won't see much of any performance increase
the P4 does benefit from added cache quite a bit more
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Specifically, what apps are you talking about? I keep hearing that I would have so much to gain by stepping up to a Barton, but I have yet to see any large measureable improvements. I really don't want to drop $90+ to find out my computer runs essentially the same as the day before. General use to me is gaming, websurfing, music storage, etc. I really don't think feel the difference between a game at 260fps and at 268fps!
 
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Xenon14

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The 2500+ rapes the 2600+ in most benches. Not to mention, the 2500+ can probably hit at least 2800-3000 speeds. I'd go with the 2500+ (in fact i did myself).
 
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Soulkeeper

Soulkeeper

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Originally posted by: 4x4expy
Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
i noticed they didn't have an office or general use type benchmark but anything that can fit in the cache and operate from there will surely see a wider margin of performance benefit

but yeah i agree most games won't see much of any performance increase
the P4 does benefit from added cache quite a bit more
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Specifically, what apps are you talking about? I keep hearing that I would have so much to gain by stepping up to a Barton, but I have yet to see any large measureable improvements. I really don't want to drop $90+ to find out my computer runs essentially the same as the day before. General use to me is gaming, websurfing, music storage, etc. I really don't think feel the difference between a game at 260fps and at 268fps!
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mostly small applications and repetitive stuff
games tend to use many textures and large files which are constantly being transfered between and are too big to fit in the cache so you don't get the chance to benefit from the cache as much

IE, excel, ms word, dream weaver maybe, seti and the likes should feel snappier cause all the info for the menu's and features can fit in the cache while you work with the programs

if all you do is game then maybe you won't care if you have more cache




 
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justagamer

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Specifically to soulkeeper :

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Athlon xp 1800+ T-bred b week 51 @2.1ghz 1.74v
slk-800 + YS tech variable 80mm fan
A7V rev 1.02 KT133
768mb pc133 @ 144
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Hi . I see that you are running a xp1800+, and o'cing it to 2.1ghz. My question is, how do you do that? do you use extra fans or cooling? i have a xp2000+(palomino), and as soon as i oc it (even if only slightly)windows either does not start up(comes up with error) or the machine itself does not start up. I do not have much experience in o'cing cpu's and wonder if you could give me any advice.Thanks.
 
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stevejst

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I would say the extra boost from the added cache is a lot more than 3-4%
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Not really, certainly not in my experience with two Bartons. If you can get XP 1700 to 2.3 GHz cheaper than say $80 go for it. Barton is not very likely to hit that speed.
i have a xp2000+(palomino),
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That CPU is pretty much dead for overclocking, don't expect too much. It sure serves well for a workhorse PC, I guess. I am running one Linux system with Pal 2000 and it has been solid and stable for me for almost a year now.
 
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Richdog

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Originally posted by: justagamer
Specifically to soulkeeper :

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Athlon xp 1800+ T-bred b week 51 @2.1ghz 1.74v
slk-800 + YS tech variable 80mm fan
A7V rev 1.02 KT133
768mb pc133 @ 144
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi . I see that you are running a xp1800+, and o'cing it to 2.1ghz. My question is, how do you do that? do you use extra fans or cooling? i have a xp2000+(palomino), and as soon as i oc it (even if only slightly)windows either does not start up(comes up with error) or the machine itself does not start up. I do not have much experience in o'cing cpu's and wonder if you could give me any advice.Thanks.
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The XP2000+ Palomino is a dreadful overclocker, as are most palominos. Theyre only just a step above the thoroughbreds in terms of overclockability, which is poor. Get yourself a thoroughbred if you want to overclock. Preferably a 1700+ or 1800+ JIUHB DLT3C like me. :D
 
Soulkeeper

Soulkeeper

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Originally posted by: justagamer
Specifically to soulkeeper :

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Athlon xp 1800+ T-bred b week 51 @2.1ghz 1.74v
slk-800 + YS tech variable 80mm fan
A7V rev 1.02 KT133
768mb pc133 @ 144
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi . I see that you are running a xp1800+, and o'cing it to 2.1ghz. My question is, how do you do that? do you use extra fans or cooling? i have a xp2000+(palomino), and as soon as i oc it (even if only slightly)windows either does not start up(comes up with error) or the machine itself does not start up. I do not have much experience in o'cing cpu's and wonder if you could give me any advice.Thanks.
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what motherboard do you have ??
yur best bet with a palomino is to raise the fsb till the chip maxes out
that would prob be the easiest
if you could lower the clock mult on yur board and then raise the front side bus to the chip's max that would be even better

as far as cooling goes get a heatsink with a copper base if you can like an slk-800 or a cheaper model if you want
personally i use a variable speed fan on my heatsink
and don't raise yur voltage too high


 
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4x4expy

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Ok. I have been pretty close to ordering the barton several times, but backed out and used the cash on other goodies. $90 isn't a lot if I were to get a very noticable increase in performance. Gaming is not all that I do, but it is the most demanding workout I give my machines, since I'm not into the mindless Seti crunching, etc.
 
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