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Canon vs. Nikon or Red

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glen

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Every once in a while, I think all DSLRs look like crap, and what I really need is the latest Red Dragon for right at $60k. It really does blow away the current crop and FF DSLRs.
 
Well, honestly, when looking at choices A vs. B, it is sometimes helpful to take a good look at C, even if you only use it to help you choose A or B. And, you know you can always RENT a Red.
 
glen said:
Every once in a while, I think all DSLRs look like crap, and what I really need is the latest Red Dragon for right at $60k. It really does blow away the current crop and FF DSLRs.
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A bad dancer always blames his own balls that he can not dance good...
 
glen said:
Every once in a while, I think all DSLRs look like crap, and what I really need is the latest Red Dragon for right at $60k. It really does blow away the current crop and FF DSLRs.
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I've thought that the Red Dragon would really be the ultimate wedding camera, because you can extract stills so well from it. Especially with doing child portrait photography where you only get that smiling face for a split second before they sneeze or giggle or whatever. They've done a lot of work with projects like that using RED cameras - I think Esquire had a behind-the-scenes look at their cover shoot with Kate Beckinsale when the RED EPIC came out, where they did the 5K film mode and then just pulled stills from it to do the cover shoot. VERY neat way to shoot photography! Here's a good article that shows off using a frame grab off an Epic with a Zeiss prime:

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2011/06/07/what-camera-did-i-use-to-make-this-still-picture/
 
Here´s a pro tip.

Photography is really about the photographer. The camera is just a tool. I don´t care how awesome the shovel is it´s the ditch digger who does the work.
 
Bah, I am an amateur, but my pictures look fantastic when I rent an 85mm f/1.2 L from Canon. In my experience the equipment makes a HUGE difference.
 
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Nice shot! :thumbsup:

If you want to share more, consider joining sites like 500px instead of just using image hosting. You'll get a chance to get feedback from all kinds of photogs and see their photos/exif/etc.
 
glen said:
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ah ha! a photog's nightmare! OOF! some of those lenses needs some serious maintenance, but then again, each lens will react differently to each camera... When you send it in, you send it in with your camera for perfect calibration!

P.S. - 5D Mark 3 has the magic lantern software where you can shoot raw video now, pull images from it finally! I think you can even do 4k video from it...
 
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glen said:
Sure, tell me the easiest way to host/post?
What resolution?
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If you do know that much about cameras/equipment, how comes, you don't know how to post pictures? where to post? What resolution...

Looks like, you're talking about high priced cameras but you not familiar at all with digital photography...

Is picture you just posted best one of your?

Try to enter on dpreview site to one of the challenges and you'll find out what your photos are worth...
Of course, Dpreview Photo Challenges should not be taken very seriously, but at least you get "a picture" about your photos....

You say, equipment matters...

Can you do something similar with camera you have? Photo taken I believe with Olympus E-410, camera you can buy today for prolly $50:

TS560x560


Photos of amateur photographer without expensive gear:

http://outlier-v.livejournal.com/

Compare to your photos....
 
Wow, this thread has gotten a bit derailed.

The point is that when choosing between 2 options, it is helpful to look at the outside option, not even clearly on the table. So, when looking at Canon Vs. Nikon, I am suggesting, that it is important to look and see what the non DSLR and out of price range options are. Hate to use the phrase game changer, but RED is exactly that. Some pro photographers will move to it. And, DSLR companied will have to keep improving an innovating. Everyone and everything is affected.

The other thing I said was I am an amateur. I am not trying to pass myself off as super fantastic. However, I think, my same photos would look worse with a point and shoot, and better with Red. A PRO could not have done much better that the last thing I shot, simply because of physics. In a dark candle lit church, no body is going to get great shots without a flash on a point and shoot. Granted, the shot I posted was from outside.

Now, as far as amateur shots with cheap cameras. wft? For one, how did that come up? Secondly, the shot you posted looks to be a model, pro make up, and she has been lit if not by a prop, with pro type gear, reflectors, etc..
 
glen said:
Wow, this thread has gotten a bit derailed.

The point is that when choosing between 2 options, it is helpful to look at the outside option, not even clearly on the table. So, when looking at Canon Vs. Nikon, I am suggesting, that it is important to look and see what the non DSLR and out of price range options are. Hate to use the phrase game changer, but RED is exactly that. Some pro photographers will move to it. And, DSLR companied will have to keep improving an innovating. Everyone and everything is affected.
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You gotta draw the line somewhere... when you look at cars, do you look at everything under the sun? Like go test drive a Ferrari when your car budget is 30k?
 
glen said:
Now, as far as amateur shots with cheap cameras. wft? For one, how did that come up? Secondly, the shot you posted looks to be a model, pro make up, and she has been lit if not by a prop, with pro type gear, reflectors, etc..
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hah, I was going to say something similar
 
Better gear can help you get more "keepers" but if you aren't getting any keepers with your low end gear you're probably not going to get any with your high end gear.
 
Obviously the elephant in the room here is "Post-Processing". The secret ju-ju behind our work that make us the big bucks!

But working with motion images and capturing it one frame, and then blowing it up to a 20"x30" may not yield the same results as taking a still and blowing it up to a 20"x30". But if you're not doing prints, Red all the way!

(P.S. did you look into the magic lantern firmware with the 5D MK 3? also I believe it's available for 60d?) Anyways, raw recording will get you keepers of the stills 🙂

I always find photography to be a "sales" job. The better story you can come up with to your clients, the more likely they'll buy you for the day.

Sorry glen, thought you were trying to get the eye in focus in that shot. Shooting @ f/1.6 is incredibly difficult, especially with candid's. To me, the focus point is the head piece connects with the hair, that seems a bit more in focus than the eye. If this is your intention, then my mistake!
 
finbarqs said:
Obviously the elephant in the room here is "Post-Processing". The secret ju-ju behind our work that make us the big bucks!

But working with motion images and capturing it one frame, and then blowing it up to a 20"x30" may not yield the same results as taking a still and blowing it up to a 20"x30". But if you're not doing prints, Red all the way!

(P.S. did you look into the magic lantern firmware with the 5D MK 3? also I believe it's available for 60d?) Anyways, raw recording will get you keepers of the stills 🙂

I always find photography to be a "sales" job. The better story you can come up with to your clients, the more likely they'll buy you for the day.

Sorry glen, thought you were trying to get the eye in focus in that shot. Shooting @ f/1.6 is incredibly difficult, especially with candid's. To me, the focus point is the head piece connects with the hair, that seems a bit more in focus than the eye. If this is your intention, then my mistake!
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I may have focus issues.
I just ordered the Sigma USB thingy for my 35mm f/1.4.
The shot posted was the 85mm Canon L. Horrible CA, but I think that is normal and fixable in post processing.
 
yeah! I have the sigma USB for my f/1.4

haven't calibrated it yet, because I'm too lazy to! that is a GOD send of a device... especially storing multiple profiles for multiple cameras!
 
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