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Canon people, what do you think the DSLR roadmap looks like? Thoughts and questions..

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timswim78

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APS Sensor Cameras:
- The 1DS3 is due for an upgrade. Will it pretty much be a a 1D4 with more megapixels?
- The 5D2 is almost two years old; although Canon let the 5D1 hang out there for over 3 years before upgrading it. The price has recently dropped at Adorama. Does that mean that there is any chance of an upgrade in 2010, or is the price drop just a mid-cycle sales-booster?
- Something else? A "3D" maybe, something that is APS and has dual processors, an APS version of the 7D? Will Canon release a worthy competitor for Nikon's D700?

APS-H:
- I doubt we'll see anything here. I've never really understood this format. Is it a legacy platform that will be phased out, or will Canon keep it around for the foreseeable future?

APS-C
- The timeline of the XXD releases suggests that Canon should release a new camera in Q1, 2010. I guess it will be a 60D and will have video.
- There will probably be a new Rebel or two.
 
timswim78 said:
APS Sensor Cameras:
- The 1DS3 is due for an upgrade. Will it pretty much be a a 1D4 with more megapixels?
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Yes. Some believe it will have as much as 32MP, which will be awesome for low-ISO work (landscapes, portraits).

- The 5D2 is almost two years old; although Canon let the 5D1 hang out there for over 3 years before upgrading it. The price has recently dropped at Adorama. Does that mean that there is any chance of an upgrade in 2010, or is the price drop just a mid-cycle sales-booster?
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The 5D2 is a little over 1 year old, not 2. It launched in September 2008, but didn't hit shelves until November/December 2008. But I doubt Canon will wait 3 years until it refreshes the camera, especially if Nikon releases a D900 this year.

- Something else? A "3D" maybe, something that is APS and has dual processors, an APS version of the 7D? Will Canon release a worthy competitor for Nikon's D700?
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That's another option if they decide not to refresh the 5D2. The new camera can occupy the $3000 price bracket while the 5D2 moves closer to $2000 (like the A850).

APS-H:
- I doubt we'll see anything here. I've never really understood this format. Is it a legacy platform that will be phased out, or will Canon keep it around for the foreseeable future?
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It's a platform that made sense for sports/wildlife photographers, but I think the 1D4 is the last APS-H camera Canon will make. The quality of the new teleconverters that are coming out is amazing; the 1.3x crop won't be missed, and the extra sensitivity will be welcome.

APS-C
- The timeline of the XXD releases suggests that Canon should release a new camera in Q1, 2010. I guess it will be a 60D and will have video.
- There will probably be a new Rebel or two.
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The new 60D will be a 7D with some stripped-down features. I don't see a new Rebel coming anytime soon; maybe the end of the year at the earliest.
 
timswim78 said:
The price has recently dropped at Adorama. Does that mean that there is any chance of an upgrade in 2010, or is the price drop just a mid-cycle sales-booster?
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the price drop is because Nikon are just about to launch something new & Canon are trying to encourage/mop up as many sales as possible before those hit 😉
 
a low end rebel may come out as the xs is getting a bit long in the tooth. however, it is still decently spec'ed for its class. i'd anticipate a t1i upgrade before xmas, hopefully with canon's excellent swivel lcd mechanism. maybe both types of rebel will come out at the same time.


the APS-H format was the largest chip a CMOS stepper could make in a single pass way back when. anything larger would require either a new stepper design ($$$) or stitching of adjacent chips (which requires 3 passes and decreases yields and so is also $$$). it is speculated that both canon and nikon have made new stepper machines to make the 35 mm chips, but neither is telling.

as a comparison, the new GF100 chip from nvidia is expected to be monstrously large for a microprocessor at 3 billion transistors and ~500 mm^2. a 35 mm sensor is 864 mm^2. even an APS-H chip with its 1.255 crop factor is 548 mm^2.
 
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I just want a "60D" priced at 1199 or less body only. Though, if it's too stripped down, I'll just save for a 7D in the summer.

Or, another price drop on the 5dmkII to $2k for the body =)
 
DLeRium said:
The XS might not get re-released that soon. AFter all, it has no problem fighting against the D3000 which is newer and features crappier IQ.
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They would replace the XSi first, which was released about 6 months prior to the XS.

The XSi is still a fine camera, but it's no match for the D5000.
 
funks said:
Didn't they release the T1i to replace the XSi? The T1i has been selling quite well.
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The XSi wasn't replaced by the T1i; both are still current models.

The XSi replacement will definitely get HD video.
 
jpeyton said:
The XSi wasn't replaced by the T1i; both are still current models.

The XSi replacement will definitely get HD video.
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when the xs came out it looked like canon was going to end the practice of leaving the old camera on the market to serve as the lower end model. i guess not. maybe sony's 6 SLRs under $1000 strategy changed canon's mind about that. that said, i don't think there will be another XSi replacement. there will be a T1i replacement, the XSi will be discontinued, the T1i will slot down, and the XS will be replaced. the european and japanese naming conventions seem to support that assumption, as the cameras from XSi to T1i went from Kiss X2/Rebel 450D to Kiss X3/Rebel 500D, while the XS has a completely new convention of Kiss F and Rebel 1000D.

though, oddly enough, amazon shows the list price of the xsi actually being lower than the xs.
 
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I can't believe how many Camera models Nikon and Canon have both put out in the last 3-4 years. I still use my 5D for my wedding photography business, and love the damn thing. The only thing I could possibly ask for with it is more FPS. There's no need for 20 megapixels.


Perhaps I'm just cheap. 😀
 
angry hampster said:
I can't believe how many Camera models Nikon and Canon have both put out in the last 3-4 years. I still use my 5D for my wedding photography business, and love the damn thing. The only thing I could possibly ask for with it is more FPS. There's no need for 20 megapixels.


Perhaps I'm just cheap. 😀
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You think they're bad, look at Sony's lineup 😉
 
randomlinh said:
better hope canon does, I'd be happy if the reintroduced the 5dmkI as a 6D sub $2k FF camera, heh. Then release a 5dmkIII at the same time that gets a nudge from the 7D AF system.
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That's what I hope but considering how Canon is doing well again, Nikon is falling, and Sony is doing damn poorly, I think Canon will sit on its ass for a while again.
 
Cattykit said:
That's what I hope but considering how Canon is doing well again, Nikon is falling, and Sony is doing damn poorly, I think Canon will sit on its ass for a while again.
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I don't think Canon is done throwing punches quite yet. The D3s, D90, and D300/s are all still very formidable cameras. Canon, as usual, is hitting back with more megapixels, but not making similarly huge improvements in other areas. The 7D, while a superb camera (I sure love mine 🙂), isn't a switch-worthy device for D300 users heavily invested in Nikon glass.

Canon really needs a cheaper full frame camera priced under the 5Dii (I think a re-released/slightly tweaked 5D would be fabulous), and something to fall between the D90 and D300 (since the 50D isn't really cutting it). They're going to have a hard time doing so while remaining competitive, without compromising some of their Rebel or 7D sales. I'm eager to see what the 60D brings, if/when it comes out.
 
Cattykit said:
That's what I hope but considering how Canon is doing well again, Nikon is falling, and Sony is doing damn poorly, I think Canon will sit on its ass for a while again.
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I wouldn't say canon is doing well again. They've got some strong competition in the low end market as given by the 5million under $1000 Sony cams, heh. Not to mention the m43 and new NX10.

And the D3s/D3x are still pretty damn nice. But Canon's 1D lineup is pretty solid already.

kyzen said:
I don't think Canon is done throwing punches quite yet. The D3s, D90, and D300/s are all still very formidable cameras...
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I'm eager to see what the 60D brings, if/when it comes out.
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Yeah, the D90 is aging, and no doubt Nikon will update it very soon to up the ante. And that would mean the 60D should be a mini 7D, which is what I'm banking for. I love the 7D, but it's more than I need. Unfortunately, I have this sinking feeling Canon will gimp the 60D too much.
 
Cattykit said:
That's what I hope but considering how Canon is doing well again, Nikon is falling, and Sony is doing damn poorly, I think Canon will sit on its ass for a while again.
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It depends upon which markets you look at as to whether you think Sony is doing damn poorly or not in DSLRs.
It's not doing well in North America or Japan but rumours are that it's #2 in Europe (actually #1 in certain countries) edging Nikon by a hair & doing well in China & S. America.

In Japan they have a very strange strategy where they don't sell many of their models or have introduced them upto 6 months later than other parts of the world ...
 
randomlinh said:
better hope canon does, I'd be happy if the reintroduced the 5dmkI as a 6D sub $2k FF camera, heh. Then release a 5dmkIII at the same time that gets a nudge from the 7D AF system.
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That wouldn't make financial sense. The bread-and-butter of the DSLR market are sub-$1000 bodies.

Canon/Nikon have traditionally had 2-3 bodies under $1000 at any time. Sony is (smartly) crowding the shelves with 5 sub-$1000 bodies.

The 5D2 won't be replaced for at least another year (think winter 2011). But I do think there is a market for two semi-professional full-frame models in their line-up. Sony already has two (A850 and A900). If Nikon releases a 24MP D700x, they'll have two.
 
I just want a FF version of the 7D, maintaining 18 megapixels on the larger format, for $2500 or so.

Then again, I am still flirting with the idea of selling all my Canon gear and getting a Nikon D700.
 
GTaudiophile said:
I want a 5DII with a new AF system, level, etc. Fewer pixels might result in better high ISO performance.
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Why not ask for a better sensor. I think that the MP race is stupid, but MP and detail/ISO performance shouldn't be mutually exclusive. I'd like to see improvements on both parts. That's why to me the G11 was a disappointment. Well. It did do better at very high ISOs, but at normal ISO100-400, the G10 held its own.

The 5D2 is already fine for high ISO performance no? I'd like to see dynamic range brought up a little. A camera can only do so much though. A high ISO camera isn't going to do that well in dynamic range unfortunately. I think it was clear Canon decided to push ISOs with the 5D2 and that's what we got. Sony on the other hand focused on dynamic range a bit more and high MP count. While the A900 could handle the 5D classic with its higher MP count, the 5D2 killed it in high ISO.
 
jpeyton said:
That wouldn't make financial sense. The bread-and-butter of the DSLR market are sub-$1000 bodies.

Canon/Nikon have traditionally had 2-3 bodies under $1000 at any time. Sony is (smartly) crowding the shelves with 5 sub-$1000 bodies.

The 5D2 won't be replaced for at least another year (think winter 2011). But I do think there is a market for two semi-professional full-frame models in their line-up. Sony already has two (A850 and A900). If Nikon releases a 24MP D700x, they'll have two.
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I never said anything about making financial sense, just what I wanted =)

You don't think sony is going a bit overboard w/ the sub $1000 market? though, I haven't looked at how they have the pricing spread. It seems like it would overwhelm consumers on choices. Not to mention having to have more SKUs.

But alas, back on topic... engadget is dropping articulating LCD's on canon DSLRs. I'm not entirely a fan, I was hoping for a K7 like body.
 
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