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Heidfirst

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Originally posted by: soydios
Why do Sony/Canon remove the pop-up flash on their non-integrated-grip pro cameras? It's immensely useful for wireless flash or low-power direct fill.

What's the word on the A900's price? If it's cheaper than the 5DmkII and D700 then it could be in a really good position once it hits the market.
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Sony don't have any integrated grip or indeed pro camera bodies - they've been very careful all along not to position the A900 as a pro body albeit they've said that it's capable of pro results.
No one that knows about the price is talking although apparently it's been revised downwards recently in line with competitors on the market (the community reckon $3,000 or lower although it will of course vary by market i.e. Europeans & Australasians get raped again :disgust:).
Sony Europe are having a 2 day event in Edinburgh on the 9th & 10th so expect more news then.

We are also expecting a 70-400mm f4-5.6 G SSM, 16-35 Zeiss & 24-105 f4.0 at Photokina with the possibility of there additionally being more.



 
arrfep

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Originally posted by: ElFenix


Originally posted by: soydios
Why do Sony/Canon remove the pop-up flash on their non-integrated-grip pro cameras? It's immensely useful for wireless flash or low-power direct fill.
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the only thing pro about the 5D was it's price, now i'm not even sure i'd consider that pro.

the 1v doesn't have a flash or an integrated grip, and it is decidedly pro. nor does the nikon F6.

and it's not really that they removed it, i don't think any canon pro camera has ever had a pop up flash.

nikon's first pop up flash appears to have been the F70 in 1994. canon's was the eos 750 in 1988. minolta's first slr with a built in flash was 1989, but it wasn't pop up. pentax sf-1 was the first SLR with a built in flash, in 1987.
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The main reason, AFAIK, that "pro" cameras don't have pop-up flashes is because it's too difficult to try and engineer them around a full-coverage, full magnification pentaprism. It would be too friggin tall. It's much easier to slap a pop-up flash on a body with a penta-mirror or with a smaller prism because the viewfinder is for a crop-body image circle.
 
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Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: fanerman91
Deadtrees,
Where did you get the specs from? I'm not doubting you, I just want a link to show some friends.
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The specs are now published on the Swedish magazine.
http://www.photographybay.com/...t-sony-a900-ad-leaked/

I get the specs from a few guys(those who I mostly trust based on their previous posts) on various internet forums.

Originally posted by: arrfep
Originally posted by: ElFenix


Originally posted by: soydios
Why do Sony/Canon remove the pop-up flash on their non-integrated-grip pro cameras? It's immensely useful for wireless flash or low-power direct fill.
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the only thing pro about the 5D was it's price, now i'm not even sure i'd consider that pro.

the 1v doesn't have a flash or an integrated grip, and it is decidedly pro. nor does the nikon F6.

and it's not really that they removed it, i don't think any canon pro camera has ever had a pop up flash.

nikon's first pop up flash appears to have been the F70 in 1994. canon's was the eos 750 in 1988. minolta's first slr with a built in flash was 1989, but it wasn't pop up. pentax sf-1 was the first SLR with a built in flash, in 1987.
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The main reason, AFAIK, that "pro" cameras don't have pop-up flashes is because it's too difficult to try and engineer them around a full-coverage, full magnification pentaprism. It would be too friggin tall. It's much easier to slap a pop-up flash on a body with a penta-mirror or with a smaller prism because the viewfinder is for a crop-body image circle.
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Thnink about D700.
 
foghorn67

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The reason pro body SLR's don't have pop up flashes, is that it's too weak for drops. If the body dropped from a good height and landed top down, the pop up flash would be toast. And it would also compromise the housing around the pentaprism.
If they made a pop up flash with the same durability that would ensure that the pentaprism wouldn't get mis-aligined, it would be too bulky.
Also, pop-up flashes suck. They are weak, they are a small light source. Anyone that knows small light sources suck major ass. For fill in daylight, the range is pathetic. And this is when people can barely put up with a much larger (but still tiny) light source from a 580 or SB-800.
 
ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees
The main reason, AFAIK, that "pro" cameras don't have pop-up flashes is because it's too difficult to try and engineer them around a full-coverage, full magnification pentaprism. It would be too friggin tall. It's much easier to slap a pop-up flash on a body with a penta-mirror or with a smaller prism because the viewfinder is for a crop-body image circle.
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Thnink about D700.
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that's not a full coverage, full magnification finder. then again, i don't think anyone has ever commercially produced a 100% 1x magnification finder. the largest production SLR finder, the OM-1, was 97% coverage (96.5% vertically and 96% horizontally according to a test i found) and .92x magnification.
 
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Deadtrees

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Deadtrees
The main reason, AFAIK, that "pro" cameras don't have pop-up flashes is because it's too difficult to try and engineer them around a full-coverage, full magnification pentaprism. It would be too friggin tall. It's much easier to slap a pop-up flash on a body with a penta-mirror or with a smaller prism because the viewfinder is for a crop-body image circle.
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Thnink about D700.
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that's not a full coverage, full magnification finder. then again, i don't think anyone has ever commercially produced a 100% 1x magnification finder. the largest production SLR finder, the OM-1, was 97% coverage (96.5% vertically and 96% horizontally according to a test i found) and .92x magnification.
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5D, which has pretty much the same viewfiner size as D700, was included in the list.
 
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Deadtrees

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Update #4

http://www.canon.com/moon/en/index.html
http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/index.html

I'm not sure about the name of the camera. It could be either 3D, 6D, 7D or something very different.
What I am sure is that this is the successor of 5D.

Too manay Rumors about specs of this camera has been floating around since last year, and it's hard to tell which one is decent enough to be taken seriously.
However, one of the guy that I could trust said the following:

20+ MP CMOS
9 cross AF + 6 hidden f/2.8
4 FPS
New design
New power system
3inch high quality LCD
New Live View system - Something new is included but it's very suprising.


On the other hand, below is another rumor that's been floating around.

21.1 MP 1.0x
DIGIC IV
ISO 100-6400 L:50 & H:12800
5 FPS
3.2? High Resolution Screen (LCD)
19 point AF
HDMI Out
Liveview
HD Movie Mode
Viewfinder: 100% Coverage
Full weather sealing
EF Lenses only
 
ElFenix

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Deadtrees

5D, which has pretty much the same viewfiner size as D700, was included in the list.
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what are we talking about anymore

:confused:
 
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AndrewR

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Does anyone have a source for the Sony .74x magnification for the A900 viewfinder? I haven't seen that anywhere, and judging from the pentaprism bulge on the photo linked by Heidifirst above, I'd very surprised if the VF has such a low magnification.

I bet that Zeiss 16-35mm is going to be fantastic, albeit unaffordable for me.

Incidentally, the A900 is also going to have a cropped shooting mode for APS-C sized lenses.
 
jpeyton

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Does anyone have a source for the Sony .74x magnification for the A900 viewfinder? I haven't seen that anywhere, and judging from the pentaprism bulge on the photo linked by Heidifirst above, I'd very surprised if the VF has such a low magnification.
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The huge bulge might be housing some new type of live-view sensor?
 
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AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Heidfirst
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Does anyone have a source for the Sony .74x magnification for the A900 viewfinder?
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The Sony ad
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Oh, wow -- thanks! Hadn't seen that leak before. :)

Incidentally, the Canon 5D is 96% at .71x so the Sony has more coverage and has better magnification. That's impressive considering the raves about the 5D's viewfinder I've seen.

The huge bulge might be housing some new type of live-view sensor?
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No LiveView on the A900. [edit] I guess I should say that if there's LiveView, it's been changed somehow.[/edit] I read previously, confirmed by that advertisement, about an "Intelligent Preview" feature, but I don't really understand what that means yet (not sure anyone does). It may be some hybrid LV or something for studio shooters, at least that's the speculation.
 
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IronWing

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I bought a G9 for work five weks ago. I like it so much that yesterday I decided to buy one for home use... :(

So what are the rumors on the G10/11 specs?
 
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Deadtrees

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Someone posted specs. of 5D mk2 and it was pulled down a few minutes after.
It is believed to be the real deal and had to be taken down due to not following the embargo.

"Name: 5D MK2

Full HD Quality movie function.
Certain level of AF control possbile when using movie mode.

Digic 4

4fps

Most of 50d's funtions are included with a minor improvement.

SRAW

Out of all the movie frames, 1 can be converted into photograph

Canon waited to see what Nikon/Sony FF offers. Upon seeing Sony A900 is less than they thought it'd be,
certain features planned for 5D mk2 was locked(deleted)"

Again, this can be an another rumor that's been popluating the web for more than a year.
I don't even know where this leakage came from. I have no clue whether this is real or not though many people seem to think this is it.
Whether it's true or not, I hope it's just an rumor.
 
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Deadtrees

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http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18710

"As Nikon and Canon release their 720P and 1080P, respectively, DSLRs with video capture..."

It's told by Jannard, the founder of RED, who is also a Canon dslr user.
Now, this is interesting because Canon has not made any dslrs with movie mode. Not only that, they didn't show any interest in it.

Only the 'supposdly leaked 5D mk2 spec' that I posted above talks about it for the first time. Also, "Full HD" in the leaked spec. matches with Jannard's saying "1080P"
This coming from Jannard, I think the 'supposdly leaked 5D mk2 spec' is quite true.
 
jpeyton

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Jannard is the shit. I loved the piece Wired wrote about him and the Red One.
 
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angry hampster

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Originally posted by: foghorn67
The reason pro body SLR's don't have pop up flashes, is that it's too weak for drops. If the body dropped from a good height and landed top down, the pop up flash would be toast. And it would also compromise the housing around the pentaprism.
If they made a pop up flash with the same durability that would ensure that the pentaprism wouldn't get mis-aligined, it would be too bulky.
Also, pop-up flashes suck. They are weak, they are a small light source. Anyone that knows small light sources suck major ass. For fill in daylight, the range is pathetic. And this is when people can barely put up with a much larger (but still tiny) light source from a 580 or SB-800.
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Also, pop-up flashes reduce weather durability. I've shot in the rain with my 5D plenty of times with no issues.
 
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