:::Canon EOS 20D::: Official Press Release

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Much more than just a 10D refresh. LOTS of nice improvements on this body.

Gettin' me one, that's for sure. Time to make the 10D a backup camera :).
 
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The $1499 (non-kit) price is MSRP. It should fall $100-200 by Xmas on the street.

According to the Luminous Landscape review, the 20D's 8mpx CMOS sensor has less noise than the 10D's 6mpx sensor. Amazing!

Edit: I hear the kit lens is only so-so, so I will most likely not buy the kit and go with another lens.
 
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Originally posted by: Ornery
If I slapped this lens on the Digital Rebel, would the image look like this? How far different would it be? Quite a chunk of change for one fixed piece of glass, eh?
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And that "fixed piece of glass" would be a hell of a lot better than the sub-$500 zooms that most consumers buy. If you want prime-lens quality in a zoom, you're looking at $1000 minimum. Makes the primes look a bit cheaper, hmm? ;)

BTW, primes are not for everyone. I use them because I have an old camera, and all of the zooms from that era sucked. Plus, the 50mm lens would act like a portrait lens rather than a normal lens on your Rebel, so there's not much point in getting one for "walk around" shooting, unless you find yourself using the long end of a zoom usually anyway. :)
 
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for those of you about to enter into the dslr market - wait 2-4 weeks after the 20d is released then by a 10d at the price drop

the added mp differance wont be noticed by many - the only real benefit to this is the bigger buffer and faster fps - which is marginal - and those wanting/needing speed should really look into a used 1d

we've been discussing this on http://www.iPhotoForum.com for the last day and a half
 
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Originally posted by: MikePanic
for those of you about to enter into the dslr market - wait 2-4 weeks after the 20d is released then by a 10d at the price drop

the added mp differance wont be noticed by many - the only real benefit to this is the bigger buffer and faster fps - which is marginal - and those wanting/needing speed should really look into a used 1d

we've been discussing this on http://www.iPhotoForum.com for the last day and a half
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Are you kidding me? There are lots of improvements. I think its worth the price difference to a 10D.

Not just the items you mentioned but also:

-E-TTL2 (more accurate exposure)
-Much faster auto focus
-Fast start up speed
-Larger megapixel
-Significantly lower noise at higher ISO (very important to me)
-9 point auto focus (good for sports and moving objects)

There are lots more but these are the important changes that I look forward to. Definately a worthy upgrade.
 
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I just bought my digital rebel at the beginning of this year and it's serving me just fine. I can't wait for the day (another 2+ years most likely) when I'll upgrade to a newer/more enthusiast camera body and all the features/enhancements it'll have compared to now. The DR is actually a step down from my film slr (Elan II) in terms of enthusiast-ish-ness but it works very well nonetheless.....just wish I could select the AI mode and metering!
 
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Originally posted by: MikePanic
for those of you about to enter into the dslr market - wait 2-4 weeks after the 20d is released then by a 10d at the price drop

the added mp differance wont be noticed by many - the only real benefit to this is the bigger buffer and faster fps - which is marginal - and those wanting/needing speed should really look into a used 1d

we've been discussing this on http://www.iPhotoForum.com for the last day and a half
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Very good point about the price drop on 10d's after the 20 hits the shelves. Notable, there'll also be a rash of used 10D's for sale by the early adopter crowd (I currently plan on shifting my 10D to backup duty).

However, regarding the mention of 'marginal' improvement of buffer/fps... Read the detail in those reviews linked above; especially Rob Galbraith's Review. The 20D is more than just a refreshed 10D. It's more often regarded in those reviews as a 1D MKII sibling than a 10D replacement. We're not just talking one or two or even the eleven originally released specs. The 20D is an improvement across the board with more functionality and performance improvements than anyone ever guessed at. This one's by no means perfect, but it's about as perfect as you can get with current technology for $1,500 MSRP.

The 10D is a really nice camera, but the 20D compares more closely to the 1D MK II than the 10D. In that respect, 'marginal' doesn't apply. The nice thing for those looking for a good deal on a great DSLR however is as you mentioned; the 10D will fall in price as 20D supply is shored up. And, used 10D's may be an even better bargain.


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One concern I have is with dynamic range. The sensor on the 20D is the same as the 10D and so the pixel size gets smaller which translates into less dynamic range. The 10D did not have good dynamic range. In theory, the 20D would be worse. Here's hoping Canon found a way to compensate for this.
 
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And don't forget the 20D costs $500 less than the MSRP of the 10D when it became available. It's a bargain!
 
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Originally posted by: AmdInside
One concern I have is with dynamic range. The sensor on the 20D is the same as the 10D and so the pixel size gets smaller which translates into less dynamic range. The 10D did not have good dynamic range. In theory, the 20D would be worse. Here's hoping Canon found a way to compensate for this.
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The 20D DOES NOT use the same sensor as the 10D.

Canon Press: New CMOS Image Sensor and DIGIC II Image Processor
The EOS 20D digital SLR includes Canon's latest CMOS image sensor technology as well as the new DIGIC II Image Processor. The CMOS features high-speed 4-channel data reading, brilliant new microlens technology, a 2nd generation, on-chip noise-reduction circuit, and low-noise, high-speed amp, which produces accurate color, extremely low noise and fast recording even at ISO's of 400 and above. Canon's DIGIC II image processor is without question, the most powerful imaging processor that the company has ever put into a digital camera. It boasts improved color reproduction of high-saturation, bright subjects, improved auto white balance precision, and wider dynamic range in highlight areas. In addition to its image quality improvements, the DIGIC II chip is also responsible for speeding up camera performance in areas such as start-up time, autofocus calculation, card-writing speed, direct printing and data transfer speed through the new USB 2.0 High Speed interface.

Rob Galbraith Review: An 8.50 million pixel, Canon-designed and manufactured CMOS image sensor with an 6.4µm pixel pitch, bayer pattern RGB filter array, high-efficiency microlenses and multi-layer optical low pass filter generates 8.2 million actual image pixel photos at full resolution. The sensor's data is read out in 4 channels, clearing it quickly enough to allow for the camera's 5 fps shooting rate. Canon is promising that, because of the newly-developed noise processing and other sensor design changes that 20D noise levels at ISO 1600 will roughly match the 10D at ISO 400.
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We can say, after shooting a soccer match at ISO 3200 with a preproduction EOS 20D in available darkness, that this camera's upper ISO range is really impressive. In fact, quickly comparing side-by-side frames at ISO 3200 from an EOS-1D Mark II and EOS 20D, the 20D's noise levels appear to be slightly lower. But this assessment should be considered preliminary at best.
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In addition to the increased resolution and promised reduced noise, the DIGIC II processing chip is said to bring about "improved color reproduction of high-saturation, bright subjects, improved auto white balance precision, and wider dynamic range in highlight areas."
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"The 10D did not have good dynamic range" compared to what? The 10D beat out Nikkon in the same class for lower noise throughout ISO range AND greater dynamic range in shadow detail. Granted, EVERY DSLR out right now shows limitations in dynamic range but the 10D's capabilities for a an initial MSRP price tag under $1,500 was unprecedented. Now we have an entry level Pro DSLR in the 20D that very closely compares to the 1D Mark II and in a few specs even bests it regarding image quality.

The 20D's wider dynamic range in highlight areas is not revolutionay but it is significant; especially when combined with the new color tone processing, DIGIC-II and native color space options in-camera.

And the hope if not realized; is pertty darned close! :)


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Originally posted by: AmdInside
Originally posted by: MikePanic
for those of you about to enter into the dslr market - wait 2-4 weeks after the 20d is released then by a 10d at the price drop

the added mp differance wont be noticed by many - the only real benefit to this is the bigger buffer and faster fps - which is marginal - and those wanting/needing speed should really look into a used 1d

we've been discussing this on http://www.iPhotoForum.com for the last day and a half
Click to expand...

Are you kidding me? There are lots of improvements. I think its worth the price difference to a 10D.

Not just the items you mentioned but also:

-E-TTL2 (more accurate exposure)
-Much faster auto focus
-Fast start up speed
-Larger megapixel
-Significantly lower noise at higher ISO (very important to me)
-9 point auto focus (good for sports and moving objects)

There are lots more but these are the important changes that I look forward to. Definately a worthy upgrade.
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Lots of improvements, yes, but the 10d is still more than enough camera for most of us. If the price gets below $1000 I'll give it serious thought.
 
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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
And don't forget the 20D costs $500 less than the MSRP of the 10D when it became available. It's a bargain!
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No, the 10D sold for $1499 on the street, apparently the same price as the 20D. Canon just did away with MSRP, which meant nothing anyway.
 
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