Canon engineers held back by marketing department's "megapixel race"

[Deadtrees]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/techd...held-back-e870a33.html

"I am hugely disappointed because once again Canon engineers are dictated by their marketing department and had to keep up with the megapixel race."

....

"The image quality on the 5d1 was so good that it's still as good as the new NikonD700 even though the Nikon is 3 years younger. I was hoping (...) for two new cameras. One would be a 'reheated' 5D1 with a same megapixel count but a slight redesign in sensor combined with new processor and all the gadgets like micro autofocus adjustments, vignetting control, dust reduction, better weather seals and an upgrade to the autofocus."

"The other one would be a 'revolution' 5d, with a completely new sensor design (so it can actually take a lot more megapixels), dual processor for faster frames per second and the gadgets above with a 'near' professional grade autofocus for the sake of protecting the 1D series and model segregation".

"To be honest I was hoping for a bigger upgrade, but they can't please everyone with one model."




Now, this must be why there has been all these rumors regarding the specs. of 5D mk2, not to mention confusions over whether it's to be named 3d or 7d. As he implies, we could've got 3d and 7d, instead we've got 5D 'mk2'.
It's too bad that Canon didn't come out with two separate cameras each targeting different segments of market. IMHO, it could've been much better but I guess Canon still has enough room to breathe although Nikon seems to be to punching them on the neck. Though, I'm pretty fine with 5D mk2 and planning to get one, I hope 5D mk2 fails so that a 'revolution 5d' would make its debut faster than what marketing guys have in plan.
BTW, I think the marketing guys did their job well even though I really don't appriciate it. 5D mk2 really fits in the current market well as long as Nikon doesn't come out with higher MP D700 soon. I guess Canon still wants to see how far Nikon is going even though they've already lost big chunks of market.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
BTW, I think the marketing guys did their job well even though I really don't appriciate it. 5D mk2 really fits in the current market well as long as Nikon doesn't come out with higher MP D700 soon.

I'm sure that is what Canon is hoping and praying for right now. If Nikon shoe-horns Sony's 24.6MP sensor into a D700 body...watch out.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'm sure that is what Canon is hoping and praying for right now. If Nikon shoe-horns Sony's 24.6MP sensor into a D700 body...watch out.

Watch out for what? The other big number in full frame is the price, and the indications so far are that Nikon's not keen on competing on price. I suspect that much of the disappointment with Canon's new release is that it didn't push the price down aggressively enough, and that that will be addressed after the 5D-II has been in the market for some time and/or when the other vendors compete further on that, as Sony just did.

 

[GTaudiophile]

ROFL! The truth comes out!

 

[Zenmervolt]

What is the employee's position within Canon? For all we know it could just be a receptionist somewhere.

I'm certainly not denying that the megapixel race is still on, nor am I denying that marketing needs are often given precedence over potential technological advances, but I really don't think that an unverifiable claim from a single unknown employee really constitutes hard proof of anything. It's suggestive, certainly, but not conclusive.

ZV

 

[OdiN]

Ya know? Whatever.

I get tired of reading the Nikon vs. Canon crap and those that think the D700 is God's gift to photography. That Canon is somehow so far behind. The people that are upset the 5D MkII isn't what THEY wanted so they think selling all of their Canon lenses and bodies and switching to Nikon is somehow a smart thing to do.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera. So is the 5D. Likely, so is the 5D MkII. Hell so is the 10D that I had. My 20D is still great.

Sure you get more "tools" these days - AF adjustments, higher ISO usable, etc. But I can still take an excellent photo with a 10D. It's not about how new your camera or how many megapixels or how expensive your lens is. Those things are just tools. The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

Canon....Nikon....I don't care. Use what fits you. I think everyone needs to just stop bickering over who is better, who's "in the lead" or what they don't like about the new 5D and instead......

Go out and take some pictures. That's kinda what these things are for.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: OdiN
The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

Canon....Nikon....I don't care. Use what fits you. I think everyone needs to just stop bickering over who is better, who's "in the lead" or what they don't like about the new 5D and instead......

Go out and take some pictures. That's kinda what these things are for.

:thumbsup:

 

[ElFenix]

They have the technology to blow the competition away by adapting the new 50D sensor tech in a full frame format and just easing off a little on the megapixels.

the 50D's sensor in 135 format would be 38.4 MP.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

They have the technology to blow the competition away by adapting the new 50D sensor tech in a full frame format and just easing off a little on the megapixels.

the 50D's sensor in 135 format would be 38.4 MP.

Yeah and you know....15MP is about as much as I need for anything.

The only time I'd want more is if I'm doing magazine or billboard work or something like that.

There is no need to keep increasing MP in cameras like they are.

Geez...my RAW files at 12MP are already big enough. I don't need 20-25MP RAW files.

I have printed 20x30's from my 8.2MP 20D and they are fine, unless you are looking at them from half a foot away - but that's not how they are meant to be viewed anyway.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

They have the technology to blow the competition away by adapting the new 50D sensor tech in a full frame format and just easing off a little on the megapixels.

the 50D's sensor in 135 format would be 38.4 MP.

I estimate 39.1 MP, but it's a great point in any case. The 5D II's pixel density is about the same as the 20D/30D, so claims about "megapixel race" are more appropriate for the current crop of APS and smaller cameras.

 

[soydios]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Ya know? Whatever.

I get tired of reading the Nikon vs. Canon crap and those that think the D700 is God's gift to photography. That Canon is somehow so far behind. The people that are upset the 5D MkII isn't what THEY wanted so they think selling all of their Canon lenses and bodies and switching to Nikon is somehow a smart thing to do.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera. So is the 5D. Likely, so is the 5D MkII. Hell so is the 10D that I had. My 20D is still great.

Sure you get more "tools" these days - AF adjustments, higher ISO usable, etc. But I can still take an excellent photo with a 10D. It's not about how new your camera or how many megapixels or how expensive your lens is. Those things are just tools. The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

Canon....Nikon....I don't care. Use what fits you. I think everyone needs to just stop bickering over who is better, who's "in the lead" or what they don't like about the new 5D and instead......

Go out and take some pictures. That's kinda what these things are for.

Well said. Cameras don't start taking worse pictures as they age.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: soydios

Well said. Cameras don't start taking worse pictures as they age.

film cameras took better

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Ya know? Whatever.

I get tired of reading the Nikon vs. Canon crap and those that think the D700 is God's gift to photography. That Canon is somehow so far behind. The people that are upset the 5D MkII isn't what THEY wanted so they think selling all of their Canon lenses and bodies and switching to Nikon is somehow a smart thing to do.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera. So is the 5D. Likely, so is the 5D MkII. Hell so is the 10D that I had. My 20D is still great.

Sure you get more "tools" these days - AF adjustments, higher ISO usable, etc. But I can still take an excellent photo with a 10D. It's not about how new your camera or how many megapixels or how expensive your lens is. Those things are just tools. The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

Canon....Nikon....I don't care. Use what fits you. I think everyone needs to just stop bickering over who is better, who's "in the lead" or what they don't like about the new 5D and instead......

Go out and take some pictures. That's kinda what these things are for.

I'm glad 10D serves you good. Just like you said, if you're fine with what you have, it's all good. The problem for some is that cameras like 10D just doesn't cut it.

I know a guy who takes amazing pictures with his pinhole camera. The images he creates with his shoe box pinhole camera is so amazing. For him, that's all he needs and wants. That shoe box camera is the perfect tool for him. I never once told him to go for top of the line DSLR cameras just like he never told me to get a shoe box pinhole camera. Because we both know what works the best for us is different and it's silly to tell each other what to do. Just like I'd a crazy moron if tell sports photographers to use manual 50mm lens, manual camera without metering system because what matters is 'their eyes and what's between in his ears.'

For someone like me, I need/want as much as possible MP as long as it doesn't come with too much sacrifice. I need/want the AF to be as fast/accurate it can possibly be. I want the tool to make 'it' work. I do not need/want to be limited by the camera though it's sometime fun to limit myself using cameras with great limitations. I don't need/want to be out there in the field thinking 'ah, it sucks that camera can't handle it.' You see, I'm fine with my 5D in most of cases but when I shoot events, its corner AF just doesn't cut it. You may not notice it as long as you're using a slower lens or don't make huge prints. However, I sometimes use fast lenses like 85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/1.8 and I need to make a wall size print. In that case, 5D is quite problematic. If I use center focus and reframe, AF goes off because of cosine error. If I use corner focus, it often missed the focus. Its 12MP is too low. In some events, I'm not allowed to use flash when it's freaking dark yet they don't want images with noise. I need better ISO/low noise solution for that. In some events, 3 fps clearly doesn't cut it. People know that they can't have everything on 5D mk2 but Canon's decision to up the MP that high while AF system that works with it remaning the same is either silly or damn smart(from the perspective of marketing.)
I can go on and on but the bottom line is that....people have different need/want and we're nobody to tell what others should do though I'd admit I often tell newbs to not go crazy on specs. before they know what they need/want.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
I'm glad 10D serves you good. Just like you said, if you're fine with what you have, it's all good. The problem for some is that cameras like 10D just doesn't cut it.

I know a guy who takes amazing pictures with his pinhole camera. The images he creates with his shoe box pinhole camera is so amazing. For him, that's all he needs and wants. That shoe box camera is the perfect tool for him. I never once told him to go for top of the line DSLR cameras just like he never told me to get a shoe box pinhole camera. Because we both know what works the best for us is different and it's silly to tell each other what to do.

For someone like me, I need/want as much as possible MP as long as it doesn't come with too much sacrifice. I need/want the AF to be as fast/accurate it can possibly be. I don't want the tool to make 'it' work. I do not want to be limited by the camera though it's sometime fun to limit myself using cameras with great limitations. You see, I'm fine with my 5D in most of cases but when I shoot events, its corner AF just doesn't cut it. You may not notice it as long as you're using a slower lens or don't make huge prints. However, I sometimes use fast lenses like 85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/1.8 and I need to make a wall size print. In that case, 5D is quite problematic. If I use center focus and reframe, AF goes off because of cosine effect. If I use corner focus, it often missed the focus. Its 12MP is too low. In some events, I'm not allowed to use flash when it's freaking dark yet they don't want images with noises. I need high ISO/low noise solution for that.
I can go on and on but the bottom line is that....people have different need/want and we're nobody to tell what others should do though I'd admit I often tell newbs to not go crazy on specs. before they know what they need/want.

Well I shoot with a 40D primarily now.

But I think you missed the spirit of my post.

 

[moks78]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera. So is the 5D. Likely, so is the 5D MkII. Hell so is the 10D that I had. My 20D is still great.

Those things are just tools. The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

Go out and take some pictures. That's kinda what these things are for.

Glad to know your 10D is still rockin'. :thumbsup:

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: moks78

Originally posted by: OdiN

Don't get me wrong, it's a great camera. So is the 5D. Likely, so is the 5D MkII. Hell so is the 10D that I had. My 20D is still great.

Those things are just tools. The important thing behind photography is the photographers eye and what's between his ears.

Go out and take some pictures. That's kinda what these things are for.

Glad to know your 10D is still rockin'. :thumbsup:

Actually I sold it to a friend of mine, but yeah she is loving it.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
I'm glad 10D serves you good. Just like you said, if you're fine with what you have, it's all good. The problem for some is that cameras like 10D just doesn't cut it.

I know a guy who takes amazing pictures with his pinhole camera. The images he creates with his shoe box pinhole camera is so amazing. For him, that's all he needs and wants. That shoe box camera is the perfect tool for him. I never once told him to go for top of the line DSLR cameras just like he never told me to get a shoe box pinhole camera. Because we both know what works the best for us is different and it's silly to tell each other what to do.

For someone like me, I need/want as much as possible MP as long as it doesn't come with too much sacrifice. I need/want the AF to be as fast/accurate it can possibly be. I don't want the tool to make 'it' work. I do not want to be limited by the camera though it's sometime fun to limit myself using cameras with great limitations. You see, I'm fine with my 5D in most of cases but when I shoot events, its corner AF just doesn't cut it. You may not notice it as long as you're using a slower lens or don't make huge prints. However, I sometimes use fast lenses like 85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/1.8 and I need to make a wall size print. In that case, 5D is quite problematic. If I use center focus and reframe, AF goes off because of cosine effect. If I use corner focus, it often missed the focus. Its 12MP is too low. In some events, I'm not allowed to use flash when it's freaking dark yet they don't want images with noises. I need high ISO/low noise solution for that.
I can go on and on but the bottom line is that....people have different need/want and we're nobody to tell what others should do though I'd admit I often tell newbs to not go crazy on specs. before they know what they need/want.

Well I shoot with a 40D primarily now.

But I think you completely and utterly absofsckinglutely missed the spirit of my post.

Fixed.

 

[Deadtrees]

Q]Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
I'm glad 10D serves you good. Just like you said, if you're fine with what you have, it's all good. The problem for some is that cameras like 10D just doesn't cut it.

I know a guy who takes amazing pictures with his pinhole camera. The images he creates with his shoe box pinhole camera is so amazing. For him, that's all he needs and wants. That shoe box camera is the perfect tool for him. I never once told him to go for top of the line DSLR cameras just like he never told me to get a shoe box pinhole camera. Because we both know what works the best for us is different and it's silly to tell each other what to do.

For someone like me, I need/want as much as possible MP as long as it doesn't come with too much sacrifice. I need/want the AF to be as fast/accurate it can possibly be. I don't want the tool to make 'it' work. I do not want to be limited by the camera though it's sometime fun to limit myself using cameras with great limitations. You see, I'm fine with my 5D in most of cases but when I shoot events, its corner AF just doesn't cut it. You may not notice it as long as you're using a slower lens or don't make huge prints. However, I sometimes use fast lenses like 85mm f/1.2, 200mm f/1.8 and I need to make a wall size print. In that case, 5D is quite problematic. If I use center focus and reframe, AF goes off because of cosine effect. If I use corner focus, it often missed the focus. Its 12MP is too low. In some events, I'm not allowed to use flash when it's freaking dark yet they don't want images with noises. I need high ISO/low noise solution for that.
I can go on and on but the bottom line is that....people have different need/want and we're nobody to tell what others should do though I'd admit I often tell newbs to not go crazy on specs. before they know what they need/want.

Well I shoot with a 40D primarily now.

But I think you completely and utterly absofsckinglutely missed the spirit of my post.

Fixed.



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