Canon announces the new 1DMKIII

[fuzzybabybunny]

This camera is absolutely insane.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022208canoneos1dmarkiii.asp
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20070221_1dmark3.html

* 10.1 Megapixel APS-H CMOS sensor
* 10 fps continuous shooting for up to 110 frames
* Dual ?DIGIC III? processors
* New auto focus system with 19 cross type sensors
* EOS Integrated Cleaning System (vibrates dust off the sensor)
* ISO 3200 (expandable to H:6400)
* 3.0? LCD with Live View mode
* Wider, brighter viewfinder
* New lithium batteries are good for 2,200 shots

LCD with LIVE PREVIEW
If the camera is going to be close at hand, the new Live View shooting mode lets the user focus and compose on the extra-large 3.0-inch LCD screen and magnify the image 5x or 10x, to achieve the optimal focus.

Here's the official whitepaper:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/public_files/Canon_EOS-1D_Mark_III_White_Paper.pdf

Cool things:
pg. 9 - Brand new 10.1 MP sensor
pg. 14 - Sensor cleaning, different design from the ineffective Rebel XTi
pg. 16 - Lots and lots of AF points
pg. 21 - AF Micro-Adjustment (in-body focus adjustment for front or back-focusing lenses)
pg. 23 - Live View Mode
pg. 34 - Silent Mode

 

[aphex]

Looks to be an excellent camera! Any speculation as to a price?

I would guess 4k+

 

[redgtxdi]

Canon pwns!


/thread

 

[jamesbond007]

Nice! Can't wait to get one...

...in my dreams!

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: aphex
Looks to be an excellent camera! Any speculation as to a price?

I would guess 4k+

Yup, methinks it'll be around thereabouts. Probably between 4-5K. The 6K+ spot is reserved for the 1DsMKIII

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: redgtxdi
Canon pwns!


/thread

I gotta say, as far as raw brute power and image quality is concerned, Canon just tops all.

AFAIK, the physical design of CCD sensors used by all of Canon's competitors limits their top shooting speed to basically 3FPS due to serious bandwidth issues. CMOS has no such limitations, only limitations on how fast the onboard CPUs can process the images and write to the memory card. This single fact alone means Canon will continue to dominate in the sports photography market as long as others keep on using CCDs.

Gotta love how they increase resolution by 2MP but still manage to increase ISO performance with less noise and maintain the same dynamic range of the 1DsMKII.

On a side note:

I've been arguing for the very real possibility of live preview for a looooooong time, probably going on two years. Every time I did the other photogs on other photography forums would just laugh at me and say I didn't understand how an SLR camera works :|

 

[Imported]

Is it only me that thinks "Live Preview" sounds like a glorified LCD on any other non-SLR digital camera? x_x

 

[aphex]

Hasn't the problem with live view lcd's in the past been a heat/power issue?

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Imported
Is it only me that thinks "Live Preview" sounds like a glorified LCD on any other non-SLR digital camera? x_x

Herm? Traditional SLRs do not have the ability to preview and compose your shot on the LCD like digital point-and-shoots can. You had to look through the viewfinder to frame your shot. Live preview just means you can now do this directly on the LCD.

 

[MazerRackham]

Looks nice, but I'll hold onto my "antiquated" EOS 20D a bit longer

 

[Imported]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Imported
Is it only me that thinks "Live Preview" sounds like a glorified LCD on any other non-SLR digital camera? x_x

Herm? Traditional SLRs do not have the ability to preview and compose your shot on the LCD like digital point-and-shoots can. You had to look through the viewfinder to frame your shot. Live preview just means you can now do this directly on the LCD.

I know that. Just its odd it took so long for someone to do it.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: aphex
Hasn't the problem with live view lcd's in the past been a heat/power issue?

Yup. That and the mirror being in the way.

Thermal Issues

With Live View shooting, the camera's internal temperature increases due to heat from
the CMOS sensor, and other components. For normal shooting, this is not a problem.
There is no Live View operation limit at 23°C/73°F for Remote Live View shooting and
Camera Live View shooting, whether you use a memory card or external recording media
via the WFT-E2A. However, if the camera is under direct sunlight or near hot studio lights
during Live View shooting, the camera's internal temperature will increase more than
usual and the screen may show a warning icon shaped like a thermometer. If the warning
icon appears, you can continue shooting and the operation will not be forced to terminate
if you are using a memory card. However, since the image quality might degrade, it is
recommended that you stop shooting if the warning icon appears. If you use a MicroDrive
and you keep shooting even when the warning icon appears, the Live View shooting will
terminate automatically after the internal temperature reaches a certain level. This is to
protect the MicroDrive from the heat. If the Live View shooting terminates automatically,
Live View shooting will not be possible until the internal temperature goes down.

 

[EvilYoda]

Yeah, just read the Engadget article...what a beast.

 

[ZOXXO]

AFAIK, the physical design of CCD sensors used by all of Canon's competitors limits their top shooting speed to basically 3FPS due to serious bandwidth issues. CMOS has no such limitations, only limitations on how fast the onboard CPUs can process the images and write to the memory card.

You do not seem to know very far beyond your Canon fanboism.

There are CCD sensored cameras capable of more than 3FPS and other manufacturers that use CMOS sensors.

That said the new Canon does look intriguing.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: ZOXXO

AFAIK, the physical design of CCD sensors used by all of Canon's competitors limits their top shooting speed to basically 3FPS due to serious bandwidth issues. CMOS has no such limitations, only limitations on how fast the onboard CPUs can process the images and write to the memory card.

You do not seem to know very far beyond your Canon fanboism.

There are CCD sensored cameras capable of more than 3FPS and other manufacturers that use CMOS sensors.

That said the new Canon does look intriguing.

You don't know FBB well enough to say that. He is probably comparing to the other highly regarded pro camera, Nikon D2 series of cameras. They can only reach 8fps on crop mode.

--edit-and --edited again---
thanks fuzzzy.

 

[foghorn67]

Holy crap. Front/Back focus fine adjustments...that is clever.

 

[GTaudiophile]

No replacement for the EOD-40D or 5D????

These are the ones I am waiting for!

 

[Jawo]

Dang! Looks sweet!

I don't know a whole lot about d-SLR's, but had an APS camera years ago, and wondering why they are using an APS-C frame rather than a full frame sensor. Bigger sensor, more information, higer resolution..... First I've seen with DUAL DiGiC III chips!Just wondering if this is their fastest, best camera....(Flame suit on)

 

[tfinch2]

OMGZ LCD WITH LIVE PREVIEW, Canon is so innovative.

Oh wait, Olympus has had that feature for more than a year, and people just bashed it to hell. Now that Canon has it it's the best thing since sliced bread.

And what's the point if you can't move the LCD?

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: ZOXXO

AFAIK, the physical design of CCD sensors used by all of Canon's competitors limits their top shooting speed to basically 3FPS due to serious bandwidth issues. CMOS has no such limitations, only limitations on how fast the onboard CPUs can process the images and write to the memory card.

You do not seem to know very far beyond your Canon fanboism.

There are CCD sensored cameras capable of more than 3FPS and other manufacturers that use CMOS sensors.

That said the new Canon does look intriguing.

You don't know FBB well enough to say that. He is probably comparing to the other highly regarded pro camera, Nikon D2 series of cameras. They can only reach 8fps on crop mode.

Other cameras must use must use more than one pass, reducing the ability for high fps.

Ehhhhh... foghorn67, the thing you quoted is about the manufacturing of the actual sensors. APS-H sensors according to Canon are a sweet spot for DSLR sensors because they are physically large enough to cram lots of large photo sites in, resulting in better image quality, and small enough to manufacture quickly without too much cost and without too many flaws.

 

[grepcomputers]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No replacement for the EOD-40D or 5D????

These are the ones I am waiting for!

I second this notion.

(Wait...did you mean EOS-30D? I didn't think there *was* a 40D yet...)

That said, the 1DMKIII sounds sweet, and I want one even though I can only dream of it.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: ZOXXO

AFAIK, the physical design of CCD sensors used by all of Canon's competitors limits their top shooting speed to basically 3FPS due to serious bandwidth issues. CMOS has no such limitations, only limitations on how fast the onboard CPUs can process the images and write to the memory card.

You do not seem to know very far beyond your Canon fanboism.

There are CCD sensored cameras capable of more than 3FPS and other manufacturers that use CMOS sensors.

That said the new Canon does look intriguing.

I recommend you read up on how a CCD sensor actually works compared to a CMOS sensor. CCD sensors have a natural bottleneck as part of their design. Getting over that bottleneck is REALLY going to take some doing.

http://www.shortcourses.com/how/sensors/sensors.htm

CCD Image Sensors

Charge-coupled devices (CCDs) capture light on the small photosites on their surface and get their name from the way that charge is read after an exposure. To begin, the charges on the first row are transferred to a read out register. From there, the signals are then fed to an amplifier and then on to an analog-to-digital converter. Once the row has been read, its charges on the read-out register row are deleted, the next row enter the read-out register, and all of the rows above march down one row. The charges on each row are "coupled" to those on the row above so when one moves down, the next moves down to fill its old space. In this way, each row can be read?one row at a time.

For larger applications though, like medium format, large format, and imaging sensors on things like telescopes in space, CCD has the definite quality advantage, and are thus used exclusively. They require massive cooling and are slow, but these are not priorities for aforementioned applications.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
OMGZ LCD WITH LIVE PREVIEW, Canon is so innovative.

Oh wait, Olympus has had that feature for more than a year, and people just bashed it to hell. Now that Canon has it it's the best thing since sliced bread.

And what's the point if you can't move the LCD?

I forgot about Oly, gotta give credit where credit is due

I gotta say, when they innovate, they really innovate. I remember hearing people taking their E-1's in the shower with them. They were the first to create a sensor dust vibration thing that actually works (XTi's feature doesn't work so well I heard, dunno about Pentax), and they were the first to create live preview. But the problem I feel is that Olympus is off in its own little world with 2X crop sensors, seemingly little room to grow as a result, and generally lesser raw performance than others like Pentax, Canon, and Nikon. When they created live preview there just wasn't enough people that cared from the standard dSLR camps. Of course, Olympus might be targeting a totally different market segment. If I ever wanted a really small DSLR, like the size of a Panasonic FZ30 but with detachable lenses, Olympus would be the answer.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: tfinch2
OMGZ LCD WITH LIVE PREVIEW, Canon is so innovative.

Oh wait, Olympus has had that feature for more than a year, and people just bashed it to hell. Now that Canon has it it's the best thing since sliced bread.

And what's the point if you can't move the LCD?

People in the Canon forums aren't really fussing over that. They are interested in the ISO performance, fps, the new AF and the highlight feature.
Their live preview isn't meant for most situations, intended for close up or still studio work.

 

[JulesMaximus]

SPLOOOGE!!! :shocked:

I want one!!!