Canon 60D announced and the furture is here.

[Cattykit]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008/10082620canoneos60d.asp

The furture is here not because 60D is any good but because Canon is finally changing their lineup.

While most of Canon users are quite disappointed with 60D, I think it's the step toward the right direction.

Since introduction of 7d, I wondered what Canon would do with their upcoming xxD.
For years and years, while Nikon has been experimenting with their lineups, Canon stood still. While Canon's traditional lineup made sense back in the old days, they started to make less sense as DSLR market grew. Simply put, the market has shifted. Those enthusiasts that Canon could satisfy with mid-range cameras started going for either 35mm FF cameras or high performance cropped sensor cameras like D300.

Canon held back for years then 7d came. The problem is that introduction of 7d skewed existing lineup. 50d can't grow to match 7d. 7d can't grow to threat 1d series. Hence, 60D had to be limited and Canon needs to reconstruct their lineup in the mean time.

Now, I'm excited about upcoming 7d replacements and 35mm FF cameras. If Canon's thinking right, they'll have to be more like Nikon. Considering what Canon had done with 60D, I'm positive that they'll be.


* Rumor has it that Nikon is also making changes.
No D90 replacements ever. New cropped sensor body to be announced in a month. It will be a start of new line; not a replacement for D90 nor D300. It'll cover current D300s' market. D3100 will cover existing D3000, D5000,D40,D90 lineup.

Note that it's just a rumor and unlike other sources, I don't even know if this source is worth a tiny bit of trust.

 

[996GT2]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1008/10082620canoneos60d.asp

The furture is here not because 60D is any good but because Canon is finally changing their lineup.

While most of Canon users are quite disappointed with 60D, I think it's the step toward the right direction.

Since introduction of 7d, I wondered what Canon would do with their upcoming xxD.
For years and years, while Nikon has been experimenting with their lineups, Canon stood still. While Canon's traditional lineup made sense back in the old days, they started to make less sense as DSLR market grew. Simply put, the market has shifted. Those enthusiasts that Canon could satisfy with mid-range cameras started going for either 35mm FF cameras or high performance cropped sensor cameras like D300.

Canon held back for years then 7d came. The problem is that introduction of 7d skewed existing lineup. 50d can't grow to match 7d. 7d can't grow to threat 1d series. Hence, 60D had to be limited and Canon needs to reconstruct their lineup in the mean time.

Now, I'm excited about upcoming 7d replacements and 35mm FF cameras. If Canon's thinking right, they'll have to be more like Nikon. Considering what Canon had done with 60D, I'm positive that they'll be.


* Rumor has it that Nikon is also making changes.
No D90 replacements ever. New cropped sensor body to be announced in a month. It will be a start of new line; not a replacement for D90 nor D300. It'll cover current D300s' market. D3100 will cover existing D3000, D5000,D40,D90 lineup.

Note that it's just a rumor and unlike other sources, I don't even know if this source is worth a tiny bit of trust.

The 60D doesn't cost that much less than the 40D and 50D when they were released. However, I feel that it lost many of the desirable features of the 40D and 50D, such as fast shooting speeds and magnesium alloy bodies. The 60D is essentially a "super Rebel" for consumers. What they could have done alternatively is improve the 50D but not implement video. Then it would be a camera targeted at more serious photographers instead of consumers who want all the neat new features.

From what I've read about the Nikon D90 replacement, it will be called the D7000 and may have dual card slots, improved AF, and 100% viewfinder coverage.

Seriously though, the 60D doesn't look like such a hot deal when you look at what you can get on the Sony side for only $750. The A55 is a better buy in many ways than the 60D is.

 

[randomlinh]

The 60D doesn't cost that much less than the 40D and 50D when they were released. However, I feel that it lost many of the desirable features of the 40D and 50D, such as fast shooting speeds and magnesium alloy bodies. The 60D is essentially a "super Rebel" for consumers. What they could have done alternatively is improve the 50D but not implement video. Then it would be a camera targeted at more serious photographers instead of consumers who want all the neat new features.

From what I've read about the Nikon D90 replacement, it will be called the D7000 and may have dual card slots, improved AF, and 100% viewfinder coverage.

Seriously though, the 60D doesn't look like such a hot deal when you look at what you can get on the Sony side for only $750. The A55 is a better buy in many ways than the 60D is.

I dunno about the Sony, it depends on it's actual performance. It does not seem like high ISO will work as well as it's counterpart.

But the ditching of the magnesium alloy? holy hell wtf is canon doing? If the D7000 is true, it's a huge loss for canon. The articulating LCD would have been a huge win IF canon also was able to add a good continuous AF system while recording video. How can Panasonic have had this lead for so long?

 

[Kaido]

So basically it's a T2i with a flip screen?

 

[randomlinh]

So basically it's a T2i with a flip screen?

well, to be fair, it is a little more than that.. wireless control of flash, a little faster fps (tho, less than 50D =/), the xxD AF system, and (for me) more ergonomic (dial+comfort = very important).

 

[speedy2]

I don't understand why so many people look at it this way? Just because the thing has HD video and the same amount of MP's doesn't mean their the same cameras. In the car market we have....Lexus & Toyota. Nissan and Infiniti. ETC ETC. Pretty similar yet one doesn't really take away from the other. Why would they make other bodies rival other ones. Yeah the T2i has lots of features. And does things well. But it's not a XXd series camera. Period. Each one attracts different buyers for different reasons. I think if Canon didn't know what they were doing like so many like to say, they'd be out of business a long time ago.

 

[MJinZ]

In other news, cameras are still basically the same since 10 years ago.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

In other news, cameras are still basically the same since 10 years ago.

noob.

 

[MJinZ]

noob.

You're right, maybe 20 years?

Camera technology has been like jean washing technology. Fascinating.

 

[foghorn67]

You're right, maybe 20 years?

Camera technology has been like jean washing technology. Fascinating.

go troll somewhere else.

 

[speedy2]

It's a camera. There's really not much else to add to them. Sensors are always improving..not as fast as most would hope. But, other than that, DSLR's are pretty impressive and affordable. We don't need this age of cells phones that do everything to leak over to DSLR's. I would die. Another thing, more than the camera is the user. Everyone seems to want every photo they take to magically be amazing. No one wants to put effort into a shot. So, now that DSLR's are afforable, they still blame the camera and not themselves.

 

[ElFenix]

The 60D doesn't cost that much less than the 40D and 50D when they were released. However, I feel that it lost many of the desirable features of the 40D and 50D, such as fast shooting speeds and magnesium alloy bodies. The 60D is essentially a "super Rebel" for consumers. What they could have done alternatively is improve the 50D but not implement video. Then it would be a camera targeted at more serious photographers instead of consumers who want all the neat new features.

From what I've read about the Nikon D90 replacement, it will be called the D7000 and may have dual card slots, improved AF, and 100% viewfinder coverage.

Seriously though, the 60D doesn't look like such a hot deal when you look at what you can get on the Sony side for only $750. The A55 is a better buy in many ways than the 60D is.

the 40D and 50D were both $1300 when announced. canon ended up having to sell them for well below that because everyone went nuts over the D300. canon has designed this camera to hit the $1100 price point (and hopefully stay there, for them).

the D90 replacement specs look unbelievable. why buy a D300 (or D400) when the D7000 gets you everything but seals? the 100% viewfinder won't make it, dual card slots probably could, and the AF sounds a little too much for the price range. mag body probably does too. (it's expensive and frankly it doesn't really add anything from a user standpoint, go watch the video of the germans dropping the 550D from various heights, wasn't until dropped from the top of a ladder that the screen broke. between the two i'd rather have the rotating LCD, makes chasing bugs easier. fwiw the first EOS 1 to get a mag body was the 1v). it's the same problem canon had with the 60D after the 7D was released, it's just too close when there's such a small market for cameras over $1200.

the thing that really disappoints me is the lack of AF microadjustment. for most users the 1 FPS shooting difference doesn't matter. and if it can maintain that 5.3 FPS at slower shutter speeds that's an improvement over the 40D. AF microadjustments are something i could really use, on the other hand. GPS i could also use but canon won't give us one.

it'll be interesting to see further development of the sensor since the 550D's release.


the sonys do look very interesting. they're covering everything they can with compact-ish NEX cameras (when is samsung going to sue them?), SLR-ish EVIL cameras with alpha mount (anyone else annoyed that sony announced half silvered mirrors like they just invented them yesterday?), and some well-featured midrange SLRs.

wonder when the 1Ds4 bows? and maybe a 1000D replacement?




new L lenses everywhere, didn't quite realize how many they announced. and 'Power Focus' mode for video

300 2.8L IS II
400 2.8L IS II
500 4L IS II
600 4L IS II
8-16L fish
70-300L IS (sign me up for this ASAP)
1.4x and 2x TC

now that's a refresh

 

[randomlinh]

between the two i'd rather have the rotating LCD, makes chasing bugs easier.

I read that and thought "how the hell does having a rotating screen help find bugs..." and then I realized you meant actual bugs.

And I was surprised with the lack of microadjustments as well. It will no doubt be a good camera, but I guess I was shoehorning what I wanted out of it... basically a scaled down 7D instead of a scaled up rebel.

The biggest lens disappoint is no new 35/2 replacement, either ef-s or otherwise. Nikon's 35/1.8 is awesome, and Sony has theirs coming soon. Not that I don't like the Sigma 30, in fact, it was my defacto lens. But I wouldn't mind an updated FF 35/2 for my 5D

 

[moks78]

Canon 60d commercial...Linky.

 

[jpeyton]

Good looking camera. The only problem I see is if Nikon releases a magnesium-bodied camera with 39 AF points for the same price.

 

[Cattykit]

Good looking camera. The only problem I see is if Nikon releases a magnesium-bodied camera with 39 AF points for the same price.

Then, Canon will do what they've done with 40D.

 

[jpeyton]

Fire sale!

 

[randomlinh]

Good looking camera. The only problem I see is if Nikon releases a magnesium-bodied camera with 39 AF points for the same price.

Or will nikon price a bit more at 1299 to bring it in line with what the D400 might cost? and that still leaves a $600 gap from the 60D->7D. Not that you HAVE to fill every single space, but something tells me they gave themselves a little room to drop the 7D pricing as soon as the D400 hits.

 

[angry hampster]

No thanks, I'll hold out for another 5D.

 

[Cattykit]

No thanks, I'll hold out for another 5D.

As a 5d and 5d mk2 user, I'm excited about Canon's this new plan. After all these years, they're finally chaning thier old product lineup and I predict that they'll do the same with 5d lines.
Though 5d mk2 sucked terribly compared to D700, 5d mk2 did so damn well thanks to its MP count and video ability (and color rendition in my case.)

Now that Nikon will be coming out D700 replacement with video ability that will match 5d mk2, 5d mk2 won't stand a chance. They can't do what they once did with 5d and 5d mk2; they'll need to make a great leap forward.
To do that, I think Canon might as well separate FF lines. 7d-like 3d and 60d-like 5d mk3.

So, I'll, too, hold for another FF cameras and good news is that we probably won't see another FF camera that is just a tad bit better than 5d mk2.

 

[angry hampster]

True. In all honesty though my next cam will probably be a second-hand 7D. I love the build quality and speed it offers. May use it primarily with my long lenses, and do wide stuff with my 5D.

 

[Adul]

I read that and thought "how the hell does having a rotating screen help find bugs..." and then I realized you meant actual bugs.

And I was surprised with the lack of microadjustments as well. It will no doubt be a good camera, but I guess I was shoehorning what I wanted out of it... basically a scaled down 7D instead of a scaled up rebel.

The biggest lens disappoint is no new 35/2 replacement, either ef-s or otherwise. Nikon's 35/1.8 is awesome, and Sony has theirs coming soon. Not that I don't like the Sigma 30, in fact, it was my defacto lens. But I wouldn't mind an updated FF 35/2 for my 5D

try the carl ziess 35mm F2. They also just announced a 35mm F1.4. I had rented the 21mm wide angle ziess lens and fell in love with it. I plan to get a 35mm as soon as founds allow it.

 

[ivan2]

I donno about you guys but after a rainy weekend in montreal I am really excited about that body condom thing here:

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/1008/canon60d/EOS-60D-COLLECTION-1.jpg

In midst of all the ragers spending time in QQing about canon in dpreview forum, one of my friend just converted from Nikon to Canon, now I know exactly 1 person who's still in Nikon, LOL.

And I like the 17-85 lens they seems to bundle with this camera instead of those 28-135 that went with the 50D and 7D. But guess what's disappointing me about this camera, it's not an affordable full frame! Get back to work Canon!