Cannot boot to SATA drive after adding ide drive

[beatle]

I installed WinXP on my Raptor after unplugging the ide drive in the computer. Since WinXP doesn't allow you to change drive letters during the install or change the system drive letter after install, this is the only way to get my raptor to be the system drive AND have it be C: when I have more than one drive in the system. This worked fine with my NF7-S, but this IS7 seems different.

Once plugging in my ide drive, bios detects it and I proceed to boot. After posting, the raptor has a few accesses, then the machine stops doing anything. I can ctrl-alt-del and reboot if I like. The computer will do the same thing upon rebooting. If I unplug my ide drive, it will boot fine, I just can't have them coexist apparently. Under the hard disk boot priority menu, I have the raptor listed first, followed by the ide drive and then bootable add-in device. I also have hard disk as the first boot device. I have also tried making bootable add-in device as the first item in the hard disk boot priority menu and making on-chip sata raid as the bootable add-in device. Is there something I'm missing here? Bios version is 17 (up to date).

 

[ThatDumbGuy]

Is there a SCSI option for the boot devices? Not sure if the IS7 has southbridge integrated SATA, but if it doesnt, most boards deal with SATA just like SCSI.

 

[BG4533]

Originally posted by: ThatDumbGuy
Is there a SCSI option for the boot devices? Not sure if the IS7 has southbridge integrated SATA, but if it doesnt, most boards deal with SATA just like SCSI.

This is what needs to be done on most machines to get this to work, but most mobos don't have all those options listed. I think this is probably just a boot priority problem, keep trying options and you should get it to work.

 

[beatle]

There is no SCSI option. If you were going to boot to SCSI, you would tell it to boot from a bootable add-in device and then configure the bootable add-in device to be a PCI card instead of onchip SATA RAID.

Another interesting tidbit is that when I have my ide drive unplugged, it shows my raptor as being IDE channel 1 master, which is impossible. When my ide drive is plugged in, the ide drive takes IDE master 1 and my raptor gets IDE channel 3 master.

 

[ThatDumbGuy]

Originally posted by: beatle
I have also tried making bootable add-in device as the first item in the hard disk boot priority menu and making on-chip sata raid as the bootable add-in device.

Did you try taking the IDE hard drive completely of the list?

And have you tried resetting your ESCD? Might not do anything, but its worth a shot.

Another thought, if this board has SATA raid, do you have the option to select between the SATA Raid function and just plain old SATA? If so make sure it is set right, I wiped my CMOS last night and couldn't get into windows for about 2 hours last night because I forgot to change this setting heh.

Good luck to ya.

 

[chess9]

Plug in the ide drive with the SATA. (I put the IDE drive on the Slave end of an ide cable but it may not matter.) Boot into the bios. Go to the screen where your hard drives are detected. Make sure both drives are detected. Then go to the screen that sets up your FIRST BOOT DEVICE. Make sure the SATA drive is at the top. Re-boot and let me know if it works. (Make sure that the IDE bus master switch in the bios is disabled. Mine wouldn't boot with that switch enabled.)

-Robert

 

[beatle]

The bus master switch could be key. I think I enabled that. Will try this out. I've been fiddling with the serillel adapter that came with my old NF7-S in hopes of getting that to work (it's not - drive won't detect).

 

[beatle]

So far it's not working. All drives are detected and my raptor is configured as the first boot drive in bios, ide drive 2nd and on-chip device 3rd. It doesn't help if I change on chip to 1st. The machine POSTs and then it is tells me that NTLDR is missing - obviously because it's looking for it on my ide drive, not the SATA one. I am reinstalling windows AGAIN with both drives in the system. I will just fix the system drive letter in the registry later if I have to. If this doesn't work, I'm going to be a little more frustrated :|

UPDATE: It didn't work. It still says NTLDR is missing after installing Windows. :|:|:|

 

[ThatDumbGuy]

Alrighty. After a few hours of intense research, I believe I have found the solution to your problem. Here it goes:

1) Disconnect your IDE/SATA cables, and remove the hard drives.

2) Remove the jumpers from the drives and put them in your ears.

3) Jump up on top of your case, raise both hard drives above your head, and scream "AHOOBADABOOBADA!" as loud as you possibly can.

4) Place your windows XP CD on the floor in the middle of the room, and dance around it, all the while screeching "BABALOO! AKALOOKASCHMOOKA!". Do 37.5 repetitions of this, or stop when your face turns red or the police arrive.

5) Get down on your knees, in front of your open case, and clap the hard drives together, while chanting "ABOOBEEDOODOO". Do this approximately 5.7 times, stopping to repeat step 3 after every repetition.

6) Rip your IDE and SATA cable out of your case, tie them into a knot to symbolize the joining of the two standards.

7) Place your Hard Drives back in your case, rejumper them (after licking the jumpers as a show of respect), and reconnect the cables, still knotted together.

8) Boot off of your newly consecrated windows xp CD, and enjoy your new system. Everything should work perfectly.


Hope this helps you out.

EDIT: Ensure that your case can hold your body weight before you do this. If not, turn it on its side, it will probably hold more weight that way.

 

[beatle]

Thanks, I've actually tried that, but great minds think alike.

I had no problem with these 2 drives on my NF7-S. It must be the awful integration of the SATA functions onto the Intel SB, unless I'm doing something wrong. Please prove me wrong!

Just to make sure, for IS7 users (not IS7-G) you select the intel SATA controller from the drivers disk after hitting F6 in the early part of the WinXP install... right?

UPDATE: installed again, this time I configured the SATA controller to work in "extended mode" which is essentially what it reverts to when you are running Auto and you put an ide drive in where there wasn't one. It shifts the SATA devices to 3rd master and 4th master, while the primary ide controller becomes IDE master/slave. I'm seeing that Windows cannot handle booting from 3rd or 4th master after it is loaded. It has no problem installing onto 3rd master, but once it finishes installing and attempts to run for the first time, it just stops right before the WinXP loading screen.

 

[beatle]

It looks like this problem is affecting more people than just myself.

Over at abit's forums, there is a thread of someone having the exact same problem, trying every combination of driver settings.

I am going to call Abit tomorrow if I haven't found a resolution. After loading Windows successfully with just my raptor plugged in, I attempted to change the SATA function to RAID instead of ide and then change the boot priority to on-chip device. This let me see the WinXP loading screen briefly before giving me a BSOD and instantly rebooting. I can't view the error as it goes by too fast, but it happens over and over again. I don't know who to blame... Abit/Intel or Microsoft.

 

[fredtam]

Have you tried switching to enhanced mode under the sata options under onchip ide devices in the bios. Also set the ide drive jumper to slave

 

[beatle]

Yes, I've tried it with enhanced mode on. Will try as slave just for kicks. I have tried putting the pata drive on the secondary ide controller and my opticals on primary, but I had the same problem.

 

[beatle]

Argh, I'm reading some of these posts on Abit's forum and some are saying that the serillel 1 adapter doesn't work with newer Maxtor drives... I remember I had it working on my older Maxtor 60GB. Newer one is a 120GB. Also, I looked at newegg in hopes of finding a cheap serillel adapter ($30!) and it says, "Not compatible with new ABIT IC7/IC7-G/IS7/IS7-G Series Motherboards." Wow, Abit REALLY doesn't want you to boot off an SATA drive with another drive in the system! What an awful motherboard. :|

 

[Dug]

Can you install windows onto the pata drive and then add the sata drive?

Also change the drive numbers in the bios.
you can set the sata drive to be 1 and pata to be 3.

 

[beatle]

I don't want windows on my PATA drive. That would probably work, but until they make a PATA raptor, I want to boot to SATA.

I've changed SATA to be the first hard disk to boot, however this does not work. As stated, it hangs prior to the Windows loading screen.

 

[Markfw]

Do you have multiple OS'es ? I have an IDE drive (PATA 80 gig Maxtor) and I installed 98SE on it. Then I added a 120 gig Maxtor SATA, and installed 2000 on it, and defaulted the mutilple boot menu for 2000, and set the time to 10 seconds. Boots off SATA in 2000 quickly. And for those few programs that want 98SE, I have it available along with some extra storage space.

 

[beatle]

No, I don't have multiple OSes, just XP.

I talked to Abit @ lunch for about an hour. We walked through the bios and confirmed my settings - they were all correct. I asked if the Serillel 1 adapter that came with my NF7-S would work with the IS7 and he said no, only Serillel 2 adapters work with the IS7/IC7 series. After trying to convince him to send me a Serillel 2 adapter if we couldn't get it working, he asked some of the other technicians about the problem and they didn't have any clear answers. We then went back into bios and under the SATA controller, made it RAID and not IDE. My computer won't boot currently with this setup, so it's back to the drawing board. As many times as I've installed Windows yesterday, I am praying this fixes it. I'd already started installing apps and getting my settings back where they were before the new mb. I'm planning on running home after work and reinstalling windows, then calling Abit as it finishes up if it doesn't work...

 

[Viper96720]

Try increasing the delay ide intial setting. You have the newest version of the intel aa raid edition? Abit's site has 3.0 while intel site has ver. 3.5.2.

 

[Viper96720]

Looking at the manual if you use enhanced mode. sata-1 becomes ide-3 master and sata-2 is ide-4 master. Pg. 3-14
So ide-3 as first boot device should let you boot from the drive. Hope you get the problem solved because I was thinking of getting the IS7 and a raptor. Then use my drive I have now for storage.

 

[beatle]

FIXED IT!

Though not exactly as planned, it's working now. I'm booting off SATA and my PATA drive is being used for storage. The all-important settings:

Under Integrated Peripherals -> OnChip IDE Device:
IDE Bus Master - Enabled (doesn't matter)
OnChip Serial ATA Mode - RAID
SATA RAID ROM - Enabled

Advanced BIOS Features:
Hard Disk Boot Priority - 1. Bootable Add-in Device
Bootable Add-in Device - OnChip SATA RAID
Boot Other Device - Enabled (this may not matter)

I tried installing windows once with both drives installed. This would give me an NTLDR error upon bootup if I left them both attached. If I disconnected the PATA drive, it would bluescreen.

If I ran Windows install with only the SATA drive hooked up, it would finish the install and boot into windows successfully. (Make sure you press F6 and load the Intel driver if you're using an IS7!) After you've loaded Windows once, hook up your PATA drive and boot. Windows should discover your new drive and you'll be on your way.

Oh, and I called Abit after the first failed install around 5:25 PST and they were CLOSED! :| I even double checked with Charles before I got off the phone that they closed @ 6 PST today. After redialing for 5 minutes to get the phone to RING and then another 15 minutes on hold before I spoke with a tech, I doubt it was a slow day.

It's a happy ending though, so I'm .

 

[kintantee]

MY SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM:

I just bought the following setup:
Abit IC7 (roughly the same as IS7, so I assume problem is relevant) w/newest BIOS
2 WD PATA drives - storage drives
1 WD SATA (raptor) drive - OS drive
and then other components that make computer go

Solution:
All drives are hooked up before installing Windows.
Install Windows to SATA drive. (no drivers were needed)
To boot to serial drive, first hard drive on hard drive boot order should be your first hard drive. (primary master for me).

To actually get into windows after installation, bus mastering must be turned on

Explaination: (or my best attempt at a logical argument)

I found that the only way to make the BIOS find the boot drive is to set the first boot priority to your first hard drive (primary master for me). I'm assuming this is because boot.ini is stored here and it tells the BIOS or Windows which controller and partition to boot from.

All other options did not matter for me. It did not matter what the Bootable Add-In Device was or whether or not RAID was enabled.

But if you are booting to a serial drive, you may get a black screen after it finds the boot partition. Like beatle said, you can ctrl+alt+del and reboot if you like, but otherwise it just hangs. This is fixed when Bus Mastering is turned on. Again, I found that other options did not matter.

I had to install Windows like 5 times last night on all my different drives with all the different BIOS settings you can think of. I didn't know it would take this much work. The mobo installation manual should say something about running Windows on different setups. Computer works wonderfully now.

 

[araczynski]

Thanks for the info guys, i've saved the answers for future use so i can avoid your pains.