Cancelled/mothballed government defense projects: 10 billion.

Ns1

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Surprised nobody posted this. I'm genuinely surprised by these terribad ideas and how far along they got.


2.2 BILLION: Parked at pearl harbor.
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5.3 BILLION: Airborne Laser. Cancelled.
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Seriously, who thinks of this stuff? Read the link to anger yourself some.

http://graphics.latimes.com/missile-defense/
 

Fern

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I hate wasteful govt spending, but I understand that all R&D type projects won't be successful. The problem would be if they went forward funding knowing they couldn't succeed. IDK enough to know if that's the case here.

Hopefully they got some useful technology out of the projects.

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Ns1

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I hate wasteful govt spending, but I understand that all R&D type projects won't be successful. The problem would be if they went forward funding knowing they couldn't succeed. IDK enough to know if that's the case here.

747's with lasers on their noses (designed to stop ICBM's during their LAUNCH PHASE mind you) is 1 step up from dolphis with frickin lasers on their heads.
 

inachu

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At least the govt is learning. Best way to cut away from the fail curve is to learn from technology and how it evolves.

Step one look at cutting edge tech and see how gamers are using it.

Gamers are the ultimate test bed for all things tech.
They work out the impractical BS such as complaints about the GUI and OS and how the hardware feels user friendly or not.

If it is not easy to use but lobbyists jam the tech down the DARPA throat then the pentagon will burn money fast!
 

norseamd

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2.2 BILLION: Parked at pearl harbor.

Well if that is the radar ship I think it is then it is fully operational and well used.

5.3 BILLION: Airborne Laser. Cancelled.

And the research from that project alone was worth all the cost. Even if that project is not rolling out in fully operational capabilities on front line platforms there was massive knowledge we learned from the airborne laser project and the military still considers airborne laser systems as possible technology to produce at some later time. We are currently prototyping laser defense on navy ships right now and I am sure the airborne laser project contributed a lot to our understanding of military laser technology and operational use.
 

norseamd

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747's with lasers on their noses (designed to stop ICBM's during their LAUNCH PHASE mind you) is 1 step up from dolphis with frickin lasers on their heads.

Maybe you need to start reading more about technology and warfare.
 

norseamd

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at least that one is going to be used and sold.

Bullshit. Finding it hard to believe that the F-35 will turn out that well in the end because it looks like Lockheed screwed over all of us. Seems that the military is already forgetting about supporting the F-35 for the possible lifespan of the airplanes and is already starting to focus on producing the 6th generation fighter jets to replace the F-35 more quickly than was originally intended.
 

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norseamd

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The SBX-1 radar is so powerful that Lt. Gen Obering, at the time the director of the Missile Defense Agency, said that the system is able to track an object the size of a baseball over San Francisco from Chesapeake Bay in Virginia, which is approximately 2,900 miles from radar to target!

Maybe over the open ocean without much interference from other objects that is possible.
 

Ns1

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Did you not read the article in the OP? Specifically about SBX:

To emphasize his point, Obering testified repeatedly that SBX could see a 3-inch-wide object from across the continent.

“If we place it in Chesapeake Bay, we could actually discriminate and track a baseball-sized object over San Francisco,” he told a Senate subcommittee on April 25, 2007.

Yet because of Earth’s curvature, SBX would not be able to see a baseball at such a distance — about 2,500 miles — unless the ball was 870 or more miles above San Francisco.

That is about 200 miles higher than the expected maximum altitude of a long-range missile headed for the U.S., technical experts told The Times.

“In the practical world of ICBM [inter-continental ballistic missile] threats, this baseball analogy is meaningless,” said C. Wendell Mead, an aerospace engineer who served on the National Academy of Sciences panel.

SBX’s powers of magnification belied a fundamental shortcoming. The radar’s field of vision is extremely narrow: 25 degrees, compared with 90 to 120 degrees for conventional radars.

Experts liken SBX to a soda straw and say that finding a sequence of approaching missiles with it would be impractical.

“It’s an extremely powerful soda straw, but that’s not what we needed,” said Harvey L. Lynch, a physicist who served on the National Academy of Sciences panel.

In the event of an attack, land-based early warning radars could, in theory, identify a specific point in the sky for SBX to focus on. But aiming and re-aiming the giant radar’s beam is a cumbersome manual exercise. In combat conditions, SBX could not be relied on to adjust quickly enough to track a stream of separate missiles, radar specialists said.

SBX’s limitations make it “irrelevant to ballistic missile defense,” said David K. Barton, a physicist and radar engineer who took part in the National Academy review and who has advised U.S. intelligence agencies.
 

norseamd

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Did you not read the article in the OP? Specifically about SBX:

No I did not. That is some interesting information that I did not know about actually. You had made it out as the ship was just sitting in port all day never being used which is far from true. That said it is obviously very powerful and it could have lots of potential for research into sensors and technology for the 21st century.
 

Ns1

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No I did not. That is some interesting information that I did not know about actually. You had made it out as the ship was just sitting in port all day never being used which is far from true. That said it is obviously very powerful and it could have lots of potential for research into sensors and technology for the 21st century.

it's really not that far from true.

SBX was never based at its specially prepared Alaskan berth. In 2012, it was downgraded to “limited test support status.”

In 2013, the radar sat idle in Pearl Harbor for more than eight months

can't find anything about 2014.
 

norseamd

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it's really not that far from true.

Well that is fucking shit.

As for the airborne laser without looking more into it right now IIRC the laser actually could work somewhat but it just required too much power that the 747 could not generate. That said while airborne laser defense might not work that well against ballistic missiles it still could have amazing potential against cruise missiles, UAV, light armor and ships, and other aircraft.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/12/top-10-failed-defense-programs-of-the-rma-era/