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phreakpiercer

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Okay so I might be looking to move to Canada, and what I'd like is some input from some people that have lived in the US and Canada, and opinions on both. I need to hear about things that are important, so all you Canada haters, or US haters, need not reply.

The province I'm most interested in is Ontario, specifically Toronto. Also, what are the taxes and automobile laws like up there?? More, less?? Are people going to hate me up there just cuz I'm from the US??

Basically any input that on things you Canadians think might be important for a guy coming from the US should know.

BTW, the reason I'd be moving is for a really good job opportunity that I have there.
 

jaydee

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eh?

St. Catherines is nice. I know nothing about laws, but its a nice place to be, I have a lot of good friends from that area.
 

Mucman

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We have ketchup chips! Need I say more?

Seriously though; I have heard many Americans say that it is really cheap up here. I live in Vancouver which is one of the most expensive places in Canada.

btw, I have never heard of an American coming to Canada for a job and I though it goes the other way around :p
 

Aquaman

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Yeah ......... go to Calgary or Toronto....... Vancouver is suck ;)

Sales taxes are around 15% (8% PST & 7% GST).

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Michael

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I'm Canadian and moved to the US. You'll have much less of a cultural change moving from Columbus, Ohio to Toronto than you would have moving to Montreal. Toronto is a very American city, only cleaner and the people are a little more polite. Toronto is somewhat pricey by Canadian standards, but not so by American city standards.

Taxes are higher, but services are higher as well.

Michael
 

phreakpiercer

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What's this about milk coes in bags???? WTF?? what's wrong with cartons? Oh well thats of minor concerns. Any one know the actual tax rates in toronto? Are there federal, provincial, and/or city income taxes?? Are they by a rate or are they a flat tax?
 

Hanpan

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Vancouver can be pricy be any standards. For a decent sized house in a nicer part of the city you are probably looking at at least 400k or so usd. Insurance can be pricy about 1-1.5k while taxes will kill you. (I think as high as 54% of total income will be lost to some form of tax) Gas is fairly expensive but not much more maybe 10 cents a gallon. People will probably not hate you because you are american. IN fact how would htey know. Achohol is a LOT more epensive here. A case of 12 beer is say 8-10 usd depending on the kind. Plus you can only buy alchohol in desingated liquor stors. IT is not really cold here though (that's one thing i wouldn't worry about).

REmember all the above info is for vancouver. I have no real idea about toronto. ONe more thing espcially here but i heard this about toronto as well...

There are a lot of immigrants. Doesn't bother me but some people may consider this a factor. IN fact i would say 70% of the people in my class are not caucasion. Does it bother me. NO. Will it bother others hopefully not but it will be a change if you are used to all caucasion neighborhoods. IN fact in certain places there are malls where everything is in a foreign language.
 

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This is for AquaMan!!Toronto is suck!!! Cold winters, muggy summers...it stinks; I could go on, and on.



Vancouver is where it's at. You have the ocean, mountains....beautiful women everywhere. It has the best seasons in Canada....spring/summer are great, fall is very purdy, and well winter ...it snows, but that's not too bad.(best skiing in the world i.e Whistler). Toronto has the night life, and all that, but it's also 4 times(at least) the size so.....





I warned you.
 

Mucman

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okokok, lets not turn this into a Toronto is suck and a Vancouver is sweet thread! :p

Did I mention Tim Hortons? :)
 

Michael

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Please look at where Columbus, OH and Toronto, Ont are on a map before you start spouting about weather. Plus he wasn't asking what city to move to, he was asking about one city that he might have a job offer to.

Michael
 

phreakpiercer

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While I appreciate the input about Vancover, my job offer is in Toronto. But in any event I don't mind the integration, in fact I was origionally from Lordstown Ohio, in which my HS class was around 35 people in size and movingg to Columbus was a very enlightening experience. You see, there were basically white people and black people there and if you were black you had nothing there. They were the poorest people in that area. However since moving to Columbus I've met alot of different ethnic backrounds of people, from cubans, to mexicans, english, french, portugese, asian, and the list goes on and on. It has been quite fasenating to meet all these different types of people, I am actually thrilled to hear about the diversity
 

phreakpiercer

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Yes I know about Tim Hortans, we have them in Columbus too! mmmmmmmm good coffee


(and no I didn't mis-spell it, Tim Hortons is spelled hortans here!!)
 

HansHurt

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Please look at where Columbus, OH and Toronto, Ont are on a map before you start spouting about weather. Plus he wasn't asking what city to move to, he was asking about one city that he might have a job offer to.

Michael





Ummmm....Nah :p




Jason



 

phreakpiercer

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<< Please look at where Columbus, OH and Toronto, Ont are on a map before you start spouting about weather. Plus he wasn't asking what city to move to, he was asking about one city that he might have a job offer to. >>




There actually is quite a change in climate from here to Toronto, at least I'd expect there to be since when I lived back home (halfway between Pittsburg and Cleveland), the winters were a bit colder and had more snow, and the summers there were not quitte as hot, but were alot muggier
 

Michael

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I'll make it easy for you. Their weather isn't too different except that Toronto has more Lake Efect weather (like Cleavland compared to Columbus). Columbus is starting to hit the edge of the Midwest (not really if you talk to people really in the Midwest, but close enough) and Ontario has a similar cultural feel to the Midwest. It is pretty diverse, but I've noticed the same of most decent sized American cities.

Michael
 

Pepsi90919

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Perhaps you should scout out Toronto or the surrounding areas such as Hamilton or St. Catharines even.

Since you're moving to a very culturally diverse country, yes you're going to be dealing with immigrants. :p
 

Eug

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I have lived in Vancouver and Toronto, and I have visited Columbus.

I much preferred both Vancouver and Toronto over Columbus. One thing I noticed about Columbus is that there is a much more limited cultural mix, and every damn thing is closed on Sunday or later in the evenings. ie. in comparison, there really isn't all that much stuff happening in Columbus.

Toronto rules for cultural activities. It's like New York in that there are a bazillion theatres everywhere, and just about everything downtown is open in the evenings. It's ultra safe downtown, and lots of the party action stays there on Friday and Saturday nights. Even on other nights you can find plenty to do. Tonite is the Olympic bid bash at the Docks, and Indy festivities have already started. I don't know how much Columbus costs for housing, but Toronto is one of the most expensive cities in Canada, but by usual American standards, it's cheap. Great Asian food, and food from just about everywhere else. Much easier to find authentic ethnic food than Columbus downtown.

Vancouver rules for outdoor activities. Some of the best skiing/snowboarding in the world. Mountain biking, kayaking, golfing, etc. etc. etc. Seems a bit small by Toronto standards in terms of cultural activities. Great mix of people and some of the best Asian food in North America.

I've only visited Calgary, but the people are generally nice. Less of a cultural mosaic though and the ethnic food is nowhere near as available as Toronto. Less taxes.

Taxes in Canada can be quite a bit higher, especially at the low to middle income groups. I have noticed that high income (ie. >US$100000) earners in some States pay about as much as those in Canada. You get a lot for that though, including &quot;free&quot; health care and such. Salaries for some jobs are similar between the two countries, but in some the US counterparts get significantly more. Car insurance is general less though. High speed net access is only US$26 a month. ;)

Montreal is cool, but there is a lot of politicking going on all the time that gets tiresome. Plus the bureaucracy is very heavy.

All said and done, my favourite city in all of North America is Toronto.
 

SSP

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I live in toronto. Its not a bad place. I love it here. Lots of different cultures, lots of places to visit etc...

what are the taxes and automobile laws like up there??

Well lets see... The taxes are high at 15%, and some automobile rules (recent one); your not alowed to use anything that might distract you (like using cell phones, eating, even drinking coffee [$300 fine])


Are people going to hate me up there just cuz I'm from the US??

Nah. That dont matter. Just don't get in to a U.S. vs canada argument (you'll loose ;)).

Don't worry about weather you'll get used to it. What Hans Hurt said is totally wrong. We have some nice winters and pretty good summers (if its not too hot). Plus we might get the Olympics in 2008, and you can watch it live! (sure hope we get it :))


 

GL

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If you move to Toronto and can afford it, move in the actual city. The night live is so much better here than in Vancouver. We make the Vancouverites look like Mormons;) True, they have the ocean and mountains, but, well...I mean they couldn't even keep a basketball team that Memphis could;)

OK enough Vancouver jabbing, they're for two different people but your job offer is for Toronto.

As has been mentioned, 8% PST, 7% GST as far as sales tax goes. Gas is running 63.9 cents/litre as we speak. We've got an efficient, clean transit system of buses, subways, rapid transit, electric street cars that is used by people you'd feel safe with (i.e. business people, students, families). If you live in the actual city (anything south of Eglinton within the old city of Toronto boundaries), you don't really need a car as long as you're the type that doesn't mind 15 minute walks and taking public transit. Average waiting time is between 3-7 minutes for buses.

It's a diverse city. There's not as much blatant racial tension as there is in the States. Many cultures, many languages, etc, etc. In fact there are more non-white people in Toronto than white people now. This makes for great wining and dining as you can literally eat any type of food you desire.

We've got some great parks, and even some beaches like Ash Bridges Bay which is quite nice right now for playing volleyball (although, being a Great Lake <cough>industrial sewer<cough> I wouldn't dare swim in Lake Ontario).

Politically, it's a socially liberal, fiscally moderate (leaning towards conservative as of late) type of place. The people here like the government providing services like snow removal in the winter, libraries, nice and well-maintained parks, golf courses, etc. As far as healthcare, I think Toronto's health system is about as good as you're going to get in Canada. A lot of specialists are here. A great trauma hospital in Sunnybrook, a great children's hospital in Sick Kids, and many other great hospitals like Mount Sinai and several others. There are 3 major universities - University of Toronto, York University and Ryerson Polytechnic. There are 2 major colleges in Seneca College and Centennial. There are two public school systems - Catholic and public and most people are generally satisfied with them.

Traffic is a real mess right now which is why I'd suggest if you can, take the TTC. A lot of people live 40-100km away from the city and commute into and out of it everyday causing a lot of traffic congestion. The annoying part is it's in just about every direction - textbook case of gridlock.

There's so much to say about it, but the best thing to do is stay about a week and see for yourself. I like it here but it might not be your cup of tea.
 

Colt45

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why dont you come to saskatchewan, its really hto in the summer, really cold in the winter, and its flat!
the biggest city has approx. 250, 000 ppl.

oh yeah beer is better in canada! ;)

personally, myself i like east BC and west alberta.

i was only in Toronto for 8hrs.. and i was barfing, while waiting for a plane, not slept in like 40+ hours.. long story.. coming home from europe..LOL :)(stupid lady screwed up our flight order:(:(:()

generally the people are nice here (but assholes live everywhere)
its not a smogariffic as L.A. and places like that.
 

b0mbrman

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Hmmm...I've always thought about moving to Canada for some reason. Would I have a job there and fit in?

I'm an econ/Asian studies major and I'm Filipino. Are my kind welcome there?
 

Colt45

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<< Hmmm...I've always thought about moving to Canada for some reason. Would I have a job there and fit in?

I'm an econ/Asian studies major and I'm Filipino. Are my kind welcome there?
>>



the big cities are always looking for workers,
and Canada isnt all that different from the US IMHO