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NoShangriLa

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

I know it is sad, and what worst is that Canadian refuse to accept that American republic system is a much more democratic system than the farcy govern system that Cadian call "democratic".

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I completely disagree on your assessment of the US system.
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Inferiority complex of the average Canadian refuse to accept that our governing system isn't democratic.

We are govern by the governor general that answer to the queen. And, don't let the pseudo elections fool you into thinking that we govern ourself thought elect representatives, because ultimately the GG appoint the senates and the prime minister.

In the 80s our elected representatives failed to separate complete ties with England, and the house of common voted/asked the Queen to give more power to Canadian elected govern body to self determination/administration.

The act of self determination work quite well till 1990 when the Conservative/Mulroney ran back to the Queen and ask her to intervened and created/appointed 8 additional conservative senates to pushed through the unpopular GST. And, in recent days, Conservative/Harper begs the GG to shut out the house of common to save his cowardice hide.

I was proud to be a Canadian when our elected representatives took the initiative to move forward to a democratic and self determination system in the 80s. But, now all is lost because we are no less than a Britain colony.

American is much better than us in the above respect, because their forefather have the foresight to remove Britain monarchy legacy from their governing system
 
sandorski

sandorski

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

I know it is sad, and what worst is that Canadian refuse to accept that American republic system is a much more democratic system than the farcy govern system that Cadian call "democratic".

List of countries by system of government
Click to expand...

I completely disagree on your assessment of the US system.
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Inferiority complex of the average Canadian refuse to accept that our governing system isn't democratic.

We are govern by the governor general that answer to the queen. And, don't let the pseudo elections fool you into thinking that we govern ourself thought elect representatives, because ultimately the GG appoint the senates and the prime minister.

In the 80s our elected representatives failed to separate complete ties with England, and the house of common voted/asked the Queen to give more power to Canadian elected govern body to self determination/administration.

The act of self determination work quite well till 1990 when the Conservative/Mulroney ran back to the Queen and ask her to intervened and created/appointed 8 additional conservative senates to pushed through the unpopular GST. And, in recent days, Conservative/Harper begs the GG to shut out the house of common to save his cowardice hide.

I was proud to be a Canadian when our elected representatives took the initiative to move forward to a democratic and self determination system in the 80s. But, now all is lost because we are no less than a Britain colony.

American is much better than us in the above respect, because their forefather have the foresight to remove Britain monarchy legacy from their governing system
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So many words, so off the mark. You're incorrect.
 
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StageLeft

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Not great but I think it's understandable people don't think the Queen is head of state. That's more a formal technicality than anything; the Queen may have that title but realistically, no she is not, the Prime Minister is the most powerful single individual in the country.
Inferiority complex of the average Canadian refuse to accept that our governing system isn't democratic.
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And in a way neither is the US system, since not everything is done by vote and referendum.

Both US and Canada have strange things in their political processes.
 
Toonces

Toonces

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
http://thewhig.com/ArticleDisp...THE%20CANADIAN%20PRESS

you see? its not just americans;)
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I would not be surprised at all if the average Canadian knew more about the American government than they did of their own government. It's part of the Canadian psyche. It's part of their obsession.
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Kind of like how the average small town resident knows more about the local politics in the nearest big city than what happens in his own. This isn't because Canadians are inferior or Americans are superior; it's just the nature of an imbalance in power between two parties.
 
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kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not great but I think it's understandable people don't think the Queen is head of state. That's more a formal technicality than anything; the Queen may have that title but realistically, no she is not, the Prime Minister is the most powerful single individual in the country.
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The Prime Minister having to convice her to shut down Parlement sounds a bit beyond a technicality to me.
 
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RichardE

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not great but I think it's understandable people don't think the Queen is head of state. That's more a formal technicality than anything; the Queen may have that title but realistically, no she is not, the Prime Minister is the most powerful single individual in the country.
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The Prime Minister having to convice her to shut down Parlement sounds a bit beyond a technicality to me.
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I agree, if anything these past few months show who has the true power in Ottawa.
 
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StageLeft

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not great but I think it's understandable people don't think the Queen is head of state. That's more a formal technicality than anything; the Queen may have that title but realistically, no she is not, the Prime Minister is the most powerful single individual in the country.
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The Prime Minister having to convice her to shut down Parlement sounds a bit beyond a technicality to me.
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I still think it's all for show. She's on the bills just for fun, too. If the Queen really started dictating things across the water Canadians didn't like, the little ruse would be up. It's a big silly game anyway, I think the crown should go eff itself and I know most Canadians do think that England should have zero actual influence on Canada.

 
silverpig

silverpig

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Not great but I think it's understandable people don't think the Queen is head of state. That's more a formal technicality than anything; the Queen may have that title but realistically, no she is not, the Prime Minister is the most powerful single individual in the country.
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The Prime Minister having to convice her to shut down Parlement sounds a bit beyond a technicality to me.
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The PM wanted parliament shut down, he got it. It is exceedingly rare for the PM to not get what he wants out of the GG. On the rare cases the GG decides on his/her own it's usually because parliament is being a bunch of babies and the GG tells them to go back and work on it some more.
 
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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

I know it is sad, and what worst is that Canadian refuse to accept that American republic system is a much more democratic system than the farcy govern system that Cadian call "democratic".

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I completely disagree on your assessment of the US system.
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The main thing is how easily can either one be bought out?

It's clear the U.S. system is easily bought and sold by highest bidder.

Is the Canadian system similar or worse?
 
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Martin

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This became abundantly clear during the recent crisis when ignorant fools were whipped into a frenzy by Harper. When people started repeating Harper's talking points such as "no mandates", "no one voted for Dion to be PM", "no one voted a coalition" and even shit like "coup d'etat", it became obvious how fucking clueless these people were about how our government works.
 
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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Martin
This became abundantly clear during the recent crisis when ignorant fools were whipped into a frenzy by Harper. When people started repeating Harper's talking points such as "no mandates", "no one voted for Dion to be PM", "no one voted a coalition" and even shit like "coup d'etat",

it became obvious how fucking clueless these people were about how our government works.
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I've always been critical of Canadian criticizing America and it's politics.

Maybe now that the U.S. election is over Canucks will focus on their own country?
 
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fskimospy

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It's not just America, it's not just America and Canada, in general people don't know shit about politics. Maybe that's what people like about it so much, it's something that everyone agrees is important, but nobody knows anything about. There are no barriers to entry for a political argument, and so everyone has something they can yell about and speak authoritatively on even if they haven't spent 5 minutes understanding what they are ranting about.

This may in fact be the true purpose of politics.
 
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Martin

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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

I know it is sad, and what worst is that Canadian refuse to accept that American republic system is a much more democratic system than the farcy govern system that Cadian call "democratic".

List of countries by system of government
Click to expand...

I completely disagree on your assessment of the US system.
Click to expand...
Inferiority complex of the average Canadian refuse to accept that our governing system isn't democratic.

We are govern by the governor general that answer to the queen. And, don't let the pseudo elections fool you into thinking that we govern ourself thought elect representatives, because ultimately the GG appoint the senates and the prime minister.

In the 80s our elected representatives failed to separate complete ties with England, and the house of common voted/asked the Queen to give more power to Canadian elected govern body to self determination/administration.

The act of self determination work quite well till 1990 when the Conservative/Mulroney ran back to the Queen and ask her to intervened and created/appointed 8 additional conservative senates to pushed through the unpopular GST. And, in recent days, Conservative/Harper begs the GG to shut out the house of common to save his cowardice hide.

I was proud to be a Canadian when our elected representatives took the initiative to move forward to a democratic and self determination system in the 80s. But, now all is lost because we are no less than a Britain colony.

American is much better than us in the above respect, because their forefather have the foresight to remove Britain monarchy legacy from their governing system
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Except being "democratic" means a lot more than just writing down a few rules and pointing to them.

Now, I'd like to see the GG replaced by a regular head of state and our FPTP system replaced by some sort of PR system, but even in its current state our system ranks pretty well.
http://www.economist.com/media...racy_Index_2007_v3.pdf
 
Brigandier

Brigandier

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's not just America, it's not just America and Canada, in general people don't know shit about politics. Maybe that's what people like about it so much, it's something that everyone agrees is important, but nobody knows anything about. There are no barriers to entry for a political argument, and so everyone has something they can yell about and speak authoritatively on even if they haven't spent 5 minutes understanding what they are ranting about.

This may in fact be the true purpose of politics.
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Firebot

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I love how those who decry that the Canadian government should be reformed or that Canadians aren't in a democratic system happen to be liberals, and decried only AFTER Harper prorogued parliament. They were quite fine with the constitutional monarchy system and the idea of an NDP Liberal coalition forming made possible by the Canadian system before prorogation.

The questions being asked are mostly technicalities. The powers held by the Queen are representational only, much like it is in Britain who also practices constitutional monarchy. Who is the head of state of Canada is basically a trick question.
 
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piasabird

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It could be worse you could have the thugs and the corrupt police down in Mexico protecting you.
 
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