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Canadian Election 2011

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Firebot said:
Don't blame the voters, blame the party for being out of touch with Canadians which your candidate represented.

Great article on what went wrong with the Liberals and I mentioned most of it earlier in this thread before the election that the Liberals shifting to the left would hurt them.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-went-wrong-and-where-to-next/article2008011/

Here's a great comment from the comment section that sums it up.



Repeating that the Conservatives are so bad may sound good in the minds of partisans, but Canadians who don't have a partisanship bias voted for the party that best represents their views, and that currently is the CPC. Liberals shouldn't have tried to become NDP light, the NDP just does the left much better.
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I do blame the people for allowing the parties to dictate the approach to govern. It is the people that elect candidates and if you keep voting for the party as opposed to candidate, then you are going to get treated that way.


I want my electoral reform damn it. Kick the parties to the curb. I want a Parliament that votes on issue, not party position. In essence I want the good ideas to prevail, no matter what part of the political spectrum it falls on.
 
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Firebot said:
Repeating that the Conservatives are so bad may sound good in the minds of partisans, but Canadians who don't have a partisanship bias voted for the party that best represents their views, and that currently is the CPC. Liberals shouldn't have tried to become NDP light, the NDP just does the left much better.
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At least we can take comfort in knowing that Canadians actually listen to the debates and decide. The Liberals ran a horrible campaign, and they didn't get a lot of seats. The lesson here is that we're not going to vote for you just because you're a liberal or just because you're a conservative. You need to show your case and explain why we should vote for you.
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silverpig said:
Conservatives in Canada are blue. Liberals are red.
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Pretty much an international standard. Red = socialist. Red China, "pinko commies", etc. Republicans should really get around to changing that.
 
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Imp said:
Conservatives are further left than your Democrats.
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Funny how that works eh? 😀


in USA:
liberals offer programs to help poor people
conservative fight against said programs

in Canada:
liberals offer free shit to help poor people
conservatives offer tax deductions to help poor people

Pretty much everything in Harper's grand scheme is tax deductions or income splitting.
 
CanOWorms said:
Yeah, that Steven Harper guy sure is on the left with his anti-abortion, pro-imperialism, pro-monarchy, anti-climate change, anti-same sex marriage, etc. views! :hmm:
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When you get down to the individual, there are Democrats that are anti-abortion, anti-public healthcare, religious, etc.

So ya, probably more of an "overlap" within a wide range than generally left of Democrats. Still wouldn't say they were as far right as "true" Republicans though.

Regardless, just pointing out that Canadians essentially voted for US Democrats (read Spidey's usual posts...).
 
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Imp said:
When you get down to the individual, there are Democrats that are anti-abortion, anti-public healthcare, religious, etc.

So ya, probably more of an "overlap" within a wide range than generally left of Democrats. Still wouldn't say they were as far right as "true" Republicans though.

Regardless, just pointing out that Canadians essentially voted for US Democrats (read Spidey's usual posts...).
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I wouldn't say that most of them are as right as Republicans, but saying that they're basically Democrats seems to be too much, too. A group description would be that they're generally in between Democrats and Republicans with obvious outliers.
 
CPC is sort of odd mix. It's got some neocon types, some old PCs which were more democrat-ish, and a bunch old reform party types (social conservative cancer).
 
Whoa, did anyone else see that one of the NDP candidates in Quebec who got elected is 19 and just finished his first year of university? $157k/yr + expenses + allowance + etc for 4 years... wow.
 
silverpig said:
Whoa, did anyone else see that one of the NDP candidates in Quebec who got elected is 19 and just finished his first year of university? $157k/yr + expenses + allowance + etc for 4 years... wow.
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that is not as bad as the "bar manager" vacationing in vegas, not speaking French, and still win.

this guy is at least in pol sci.
 
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Just about any warm body is better than BQ. Maybe better politically to have voted for the winner, but the Harper Conservatives are so rooted in Western Canada that it is hard to garner votes in Quebec.

At least the new Quebec NPD reps are part of a national party.

Michael
 
sdifox said:
that is not as bad as the "bar manager" vacationing in vegas, not speaking French, and still win.

this guy is at least in pol sci.
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There's many hundreds if not thousands of people at my university alone who have 1 year of polisci under their belts 😛
 
sdifox said:
But did they run in Quebec?
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Well at least one guy ran for the NDP provincially here yeah. He had to withdraw because pictures of him at some party posing with chicks who were flashing made it into the mainstream media.

The point is, the NDP ran a bunch of candidates in Quebec and no one ever thought they'd win, so they just let anyone run. But then they won.
 
silverpig said:
Well at least one guy ran for the NDP provincially here yeah. He had to withdraw because pictures of him at some party posing with chicks who were flashing made it into the mainstream media.

The point is, the NDP ran a bunch of candidates in Quebec and no one ever thought they'd win, so they just let anyone run. But then they won.
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It's really fucked up that these people are MPs now.
 
silverpig said:
Well at least one guy ran for the NDP provincially here yeah. He had to withdraw because pictures of him at some party posing with chicks who were flashing made it into the mainstream media.

The point is, the NDP ran a bunch of candidates in Quebec and no one ever thought they'd win, so they just let anyone run. But then they won.
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lol

I was really surprised that two of the people out of Quebec, both NDP, were so damn young. Think one of them was on vacation in Vegas during part of the campaign too. Oh well, they got voted in...
 
silverpig said:
Whoa, did anyone else see that one of the NDP candidates in Quebec who got elected is 19 and just finished his first year of university? $157k/yr + expenses + allowance + etc for 4 years... wow.
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Apparently his alternate plans for the summer was to work on a golf course.
 
95% of the people vote for the party or their leader without looking who their candidate is.

Pretty sad, but if you're voting for someone and haven't even taken 2 minutes to check out his bio on the web, you deserve what you get. In this case, a barmaid or a 19 year old student... 😀
 
Spicedaddy said:
95% of the people vote for the party or their leader without looking who their candidate is.

Pretty sad, but if you're voting for someone and haven't even taken 2 minutes to check out his bio on the web, you deserve what you get. In this case, a barmaid or a 19 year old student... 😀
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Which is why we need some electoral reform here. A majority with 38% of the vote, people with no experience being elected to $157k/yr jobs...
 
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