CANADA announces marijuana will be legal by July 1, 2018

[dank69]

That's not accurate. There has been some increase in legalized states. OTOH, the effect on the data & the lives of non-participants is negligible.

Yeah that was supposed to be a joke. However, I bet the number is very small because most people that won't try it simply because it is illegal probably won't try it for other reasons as well. I can see people being pressured by friends though and now they can't fall back on the excuse that they are afraid to break the law.

Do you guys have actual numbers that show that legalization increases usage that also controls for perhaps an increase in users who are no longer afraid to admit using?

 

[ch33zw1z]

How the Hell would you do a cost analysis w/o data? Claim reefer madness, or what?

If it's about money then legalization wins every time-

http://www.9news.com/news/where-does-all-that-colorado-pot-tax-go/298554132

That doesn't include the steep licensing fees for retail producers, either, or the unloading of the legal system.

Obviously you would poll the unlicensed pharmacist Nationwide and ask to see a copy of their business plan

 

[Jhhnn]

You realize that most people SMOKE mj, right? Oh, I forgot that smoking is health neutral.
/1954

Unlike tobacco, the smoke from cannabis has not been shown to be carcinogenic. The actual amount of smoke inhaled by cannabis users is also much, much less. The trend in marketing has been to reduce that even further with extracts & vaporizers rather than combusting the stuff. Edibles, lozenges & even dermal patches play into it as well.

 

[stormkroe]

Unlike tobacco, the smoke from cannabis has not been shown to be carcinogenic. The actual amount of smoke inhaled by cannabis users is also much, much less. The trend in marketing has been to reduce that even further with extracts & vaporizers rather than combusting the stuff. Edibles, lozenges & even dermal patches play into it as well.

See, this is what I'm talking about. Almost ALL organic matter releases carcinogens when burnt, and (according to this article) that cannabis smokers inhale MORE smoke than cigarette smokers. And this report, updated last year, offers a real warning. Incidentally, it also says that most marijuana is smoked.
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/sm...g-health.html?referrer=https://www.google.ca/

Do you have a link saying that the smoke has not been shown to be carcinogenic?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah that was supposed to be a joke. However, I bet the number is very small because most people that won't try it simply because it is illegal probably won't try it for other reasons as well. I can see people being pressured by friends though and now they can't fall back on the excuse that they are afraid to break the law.

Do you guys have actual numbers that show that legalization increases usage that also controls for perhaps an increase in users who are no longer afraid to admit using?

I think that the nature of anonymous polling elicits honest answers.

Cannabis use has become sufficiently widespread in this country over the last 50 years that a declaration of Peace is warranted. That's particularly true given the honest facts about use & users. Cannabis use cuts across all economic & societal lines. It's damned near as American as Mom & apple pie.

 

[ch33zw1z]

See, this is what I'm talking about. Almost ALL organic matter releases carcinogens when burnt, and (according to this article) that cannabis smokers inhale MORE smoke than cigarette smokers. And this report, updated last year, offers a real warning. Incidentally, it also says that most marijuana is smoked.
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/sm...g-health.html?referrer=https://www.google.ca/

Do you have a link saying that the smoke has not been shown to be carcinogenic?

You're making a case for alternative delivery methods, since you don't burn it in any other method, let's move forward and give people safer methods

 

[Grooveriding]

If you drink alcohol, you're a heavier drug user than people who smoke marijuana.

 

[stormkroe]

You're making a case for alternative delivery methods, since you don't burn it in any other method, let's move forward and give people safer methods

This is a great idea. I don't believe objects are inherently evil, my point is that I hope the legalization factors in a way to keep the increased Healthcare burden on the shoulders of those who chose to harm themselves (just like tobacco and alcohol). Don't you find it alarming that the pro-use crowd in this thread alone has shown how misinformed they are on the topic? That's a serious question, what do you think of the these arguments that are exactly opposite of truth?

 

[Jhhnn]

See, this is what I'm talking about. Almost ALL organic matter releases carcinogens when burnt, and (according to this article) that cannabis smokers inhale MORE smoke than cigarette smokers. And this report, updated last year, offers a real warning. Incidentally, it also says that most marijuana is smoked.
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/sm...g-health.html?referrer=https://www.google.ca/

Do you have a link saying that the smoke has not been shown to be carcinogenic?

I can't prove a negative. The contention from prohibitionists is that it "might" be carcinogenic is conjecture as evidenced by your own link. If there were more to it then I'm sure they would have cited it. The link to the source material is dead, btw.

 

[KMFJD]

See, this is what I'm talking about. Almost ALL organic matter releases carcinogens when burnt, and (according to this article) that cannabis smokers inhale MORE smoke than cigarette smokers. And this report, updated last year, offers a real warning. Incidentally, it also says that most marijuana is smoked.
http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/sm...g-health.html?referrer=https://www.google.ca/

Do you have a link saying that the smoke has not been shown to be carcinogenic?

I'm not going to deny that cannabis smoke is bad for you, the amount of crap that builds up in a bong or in a vaporizer is enough for me to realize that, but the total amount of smoke that a cannabis users inhales compared to a tobacco smoker is not even close.

 

[umbrella39]

Apart from the other delivery methods that mitigate this concern, as a Respiratory Therapist, I have personally never seen any oncology patient who only smoked marijuana. However, I have seen enough people who have never smoked and never lived with a smoker develop lung CA. So you just never know. Using something like a Volcano vaporizer or eating edibles takes this grey area out of the equation...

 

[Jhhnn]

Almost ALL organic matter releases carcinogens when burnt, and (according to this article) that cannabis smokers inhale MORE smoke than cigarette smokers.

The report doesn't say that, either. The fact that you would even make the assertion indicates ignorance on your part. Average cigarette smokers consume ~15-20 cigarettes per day at ~1g each. Smoking that much modern high quality cannabis would leave the user completely incapacitated on a permanent basis. Few could accomplish the task if they tried.

 

[stormkroe]

The report doesn't say that, either. The fact hat you would even make the assertion indicates ignorance on your part. Average cigarette smokers consume ~15-20 cigarettes per day at ~1g each. Smoking that much modern high quality cannabis would leave the user completely incapacitated on a permanent basis. Few could accomplish the task if they tried.

It wasn't talking about over all, but per-use.

Beyond just what's in the smoke alone, marijuana is typically smoked differently than tobacco. Marijuana smokers tend to inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than cigarette smokers, which leads to a greater exposure per breath to tar.8

Btw, thanks for keeping this civil.

 

[Jhhnn]

It wasn't talking about over all, but per-use.

Btw, thanks for keeping this civil.

Overall is the issue. That factoid won't overcome the huge disparity in the amount of smoke inhaled.

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is a great idea. I don't believe objects are inherently evil, my point is that I hope the legalization factors in a way to keep the increased Healthcare burden on the shoulders of those who chose to harm themselves (just like tobacco
and alcohol).

So MJ smoking should be taxed more than alternatives delivery methods, is what you're saying, I agree

Don't you find it alarming that the pro-use crowd in this thread alone has shown how misinformed they are on the topic?

Alarming? No.

What's alarming is the amount of people still opposed, and more alarming is government officials who are still opposed. Relying on old stereotypes, misinformation, blatant lies.

Misinformed pro-use? No.

The "pro" crowd has already seen through the lies, and will continue to. Our own government has been lying so long they actually believe the shit they spout.

That's a serious question, what do you think of the these arguments that are exactly opposite of truth?

Whose truth?

Review propaganda from the last 80 years. Opposition has been pushing the direct opposite of truth for that long. Financially and politically motivated.

I see Jhnn already covered the bullshit about amount of inhaled smoke. Nobody is smoking a pack of joints per day.

That doesn't even touch on the fact that cigarettes have tons of additives, and some of those are known carcinogens.

 

[Victorian Gray]

As has been pointed out to you: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/unpacking-pots-impact-in-colorado/
There will be a significant amount of new users once it becomes legal. I know that super hip euroP&N thinks the entire world is practically going commando in it's liberal freeness, but laws do actually stop some people's demands for instant gratification.

Not seeing how that vague and handwavy article makes your case for you but feel free to continue to live in 1950 if you wish to.

 

[ch33zw1z]

That article starts by saying g it can't be sure due to limitations of the data. So the article is speculation, at best. It unravels quickly to pure conjecture.

Don't we have another thread going about op-ed pieces being presented as fact? Lol...

 

[1sikbITCH]

So you are saying marijuana use will cease in less than 100 years when all current potheads are dead and no kids decide to become one because mom and dad are toking it up?

Pffft.

Mom and dad are currently shooting up crystal meth so getting them to switch to pot is an improvement. Maybe then they could get jobs.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Just what the world needs. More potheads.

I know you're being facetious but, I see more potheads as a good thing.