Can you spell out the diff between Whisky v. Scotch v. Bourbon v. Brandy?

Clair de Lune

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My understanding:

Whiskey is an umbrella of distilled grain spirit that includes both bourbon and scotch.

Bourbon
-Aged 2 years minimum in US
-51% of grain mash must be corn.
-Ages in oak barrels

Scotch
-Must come from a Scottish distillery
-100% of malted mash must be barley
-Ages in oak barrels for 3 years and 1 day minimum.

Question 1:
Can you name a Whiskey that is neither a scotch or bourbon? For example what is the difference between Jack Daniel's (plain whiskey) and Jim Beam (Bourbon whiskey). Is Jack not made from 51% corn? What is the biggest differentiating factor?

Question 2: (most curious)
Scotch usually prides itself in single malt and extended aging. How come the same doesn't apply to Bourbon or domestic Whiskey? Is Jim Beam single malt? How come I don't see Jim Beam or Jack Daniel's boasting to be 12 years old. Why not?

Question 3:
Could you briefly describe what Brandy is and how it is different? Same for Cognac too.

Thanks :)
 

EvilYoda

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Similar for brandy and cognac - brandy is distilled wine, with cognac coming specifically from the Cognac region of France. Same thing goes for Armagnac, which is becoming more popular.
 

destrekor

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I know nothing about whiskey or scotch, but I can help with Brandy/cognac

Brandy is the name of the distilled liquor produced from wine. The exact process I'm not entirely sure of, but I know the first step, generally, is to take wine and then distill it and then usually age it (or cheap stuff, add coloring and call it a day).
Cognac is simply a name for Brandy produced entirely from grapes grown in the Cognac region of France. There is also Armagnac, a Brandy produced in the French region of the same name. There are many more differences, but know that generally Cognac is going to usually be a more premium Brandy, sometimes insanely premium like well-aged products.

It isn't always made from wine, sometimes other fruits and sometimes the pomace.

dammit evilyoda, I took longer to write mine out and we ended up saying the same thing. :p
 

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Originally posted by: Clair de Lune
My understanding:

Whiskey is an umbrella of distilled grain spirit that includes both bourbon and scotch.

Bourbon
-Aged 2 years minimum in US
-51% of grain mash must be corn.
-Ages in oak barrels

Scotch
-Must come from a Scottish distillery
-100% of malted mash must be barley
-Ages in oak barrels for 3 years and 1 day minimum.

Question 1:
Can you name a Whiskey that is neither a scotch or bourbon? For example what is the difference between Jack Daniel's (plain whiskey) and Jim Beam (Bourbon whiskey). Is Jack not made from 51% corn? What is the biggest differentiating factor?

Question 2: (most curious)
Scotch usually prides itself in single malt and extended aging. How come the same doesn't apply to Bourbon or domestic Whiskey? Is Jim Beam single malt? How come I don't see Jim Beam or Jack Daniel's boasting to be 12 years old. Why not?

Question 3:
Could you briefly describe what Brandy is and how it is different? Same for Cognac too.

Thanks :)

tennessee whiskey is filtered through sugar maple charcoal. there are only two on the market. everything else is regular bourbon
 

BoomerD

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http://www.straightdope.com/co...en-bourbon-and-whiskey

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What's the difference between bourbon and whiskey?
July 2, 1999
Dear Straight Dope:

What is the difference, if any, between bourbon and whiskey?

? DRN, Utah

At the risk of being typecast as the Beverage Expert on the Straight Dope Science Advisory Board (I've already written Mailbag answers about beer vs. malt liquor and the ingredients in Dr Pepper), I'll "take a shot" at this one. Heh. Though generally speaking, I'm more of a cabernet drinker.

All bourbons are whiskey, but not all whiskeys are bourbon. Before I go on, Canadians and Scots spell it "whisky" and the Irish spell it "whiskey." Most U.S. dictionaries prefer the Irish spelling, but the U.S. Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits, Congress spelled it "whisky." Oh well.

A definition of whiskey/whisky from www.kentuckyconnect.com: "Whisky is an alcoholic distillate from a fermented mash of grain produced at less than 190 proof in such a manner that the distillate possesses the taste, aroma, and characteristics generally attributed to whiskey, stored in oak containers (except that corn whisky need not be so stored), and bottled at not less than 80 proof, and also includes mixtures of such distillates for which no specific standards of identity are prescribed."

For a whiskey to qualify as bourbon, the law--by international agreement--stipulates that it must be made in the USA. It must be made from at least 51% and no more than 79% Indian corn, and aged for at least two years. (Most bourbon is aged for four years or more.) The barrels for aging can be made of any kind of new oak, charred on the inside. Nowadays all distillers use American White Oak, because it is porous enough to help the bourbon age well, but not so porous that it will allow barrels to leak. It must be distilled at no more than 160 proof (80% alcohol by volume). Nothing can be added at bottling to enhance flavor or sweetness or alter color. The other grains used to make bourbon, though not stipulated by law, are malted barley and either rye or wheat. Some Kentucky bourbon makers claim that the same limestone spring water that makes thoroughbred horses' bones strong gives bourbon whiskey its distinctive flavor. Kind of like that "it's the water" thing with Olympia beer.

Bourbon can be made anywhere in the U.S., but all but a couple of brands are made in Kentucky. Only the state of Kentucky can produce bourbon with its name on the label. The name comes from Bourbon county in the central bluegrass region of Kentucky. This county was named in 1785 to honor the French royal family and was once the major transshipment site for shipping distilled spirits down the Ohio and Mississippi rivers to New Orleans. Barrels shipped from there were stamped with the county's name, which then became the name of this kind of whiskey. Interestingly, there are no distillers in Bourbon county, Kentucky right now. "

http://www.outdoorland.info/Aberdeen/175872.htm
"What is the difference between the various kinds of whisky?

the time of fermentation is what makes the major difference in the tase and price
PRICE AND TASTE
The length of time it has been fermenting and also you can get different casks how it is stored ie a cherry, maderia cask (Glenmorangie) are famous for their various casks. Also the where in scotland they are Distilled, such as the isles which are very peaty (smokey) tasting
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You spelled it without the "e", so I'm assuming you mean Scotch. Generally, Scotch can be categorized by the region of Scotland from whence it came. That is: Highlands, Speyside, Lowlands and Islay (pronounced eye-la). Some argue Cambeltown is a valid region, but there's only one major distillery there, Springbank. The island of Skye is home to Talisker, but it's not considered a region.

Speaking in gross generalities: Highland malts have a big flavor and modest peat/smoke. Speyside malts are similar to Highlands as the river Spey runs right through this region. Lowland malts are very light and typically best consumed young (under 10 years). Islay malts are very peaty, smokey and briney. For me, they were the most difficult to develop a taste for (I lean heavily towards The Macallan, a Speyside).
http://www.whiskymag.com
Jim Murray's "The Complete Guide to Whiskey", http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1572431... "

http://www.diwinetaste.com/dwt/en2003097.php

"Types of Whisky
There are five big families of whisky: Scotch, Irish, Bourbon, Rye and Canadian. Whisky is also classified as:

Blended - obtained by a blend of single malt whiskys with one or more whisky produced with cereals and it is the most common Scotch whisky. A well made blend never contains less than 25 different types and the average is made with 30, even though there are some blends containing more than 40. In case blending contains a malt whisky for more than 40%, the product is classified as super premium; in case malt whisky is from 30% and 40%, it is called premium. There also are whiskys classified as special and contain a dose of malt which is not greater than 30%. There are other whiskys classified as ?first category? and ?second category? whose percentage of malt if never greater than, respectively, 20% and 10%
Single malt - produced by a single distillery and uses a blend of single malts only
Single grain - produced with both malt and other light cereals such as non malted barley and corn. Used as a component for blends, has a higher alcohol by volume and ages faster as opposed to malt whiskys
Single malts are classified as:

Lowlands' single malt - produced in an area going from Sundee and Greenock
Highlands' single malt - produced in an area north from Lowlands
Speyside malt - produced in Spey Valley whose microclimate gives whisky a particular character
Islay malt - produced in the homonymous island
Among the many types of whisky should also be mentioned:

Bourbon - whisky produced in the United States of America. American agriculturists, having huge quantities of cereals, including corn, barley and rye, they had the idea of trying to distill them: the Bourbon straight whisky was born. It is a distilled beverage produced by a blend of many cereals of which 51% is corn. It is not blended and therefore cannot be considered ?blend?, it is distilled two times, aged for at least 2 years in oak casks toasted on the inside in order to lower the tannic effects of wood. Bourbon straight whisky has an elegant bouquet, round and slightly sour, excellent as aperitif, with ice or natural or tonic water
Canadian Whisky - in Canada, at the end of the 1700s, because of the huge quantity of cereals available, a group of agriculturists started the activity of distillation. The raw material is a blend of cereals, mainly corn, previously fermented, blended after distillation. Canadian whiskys are aged in casks used for the aging of American whisky for a period from five to ten years. Canadian whisky has a round taste, typical of blends, to which belong to. Excellent ?on the rocks? and plain as digestive
Irish Whiskey - the definition ?Irish? tells the place of production: Ireland. Distilled with barley, oat and rye, Irish whiskeys are aged for a minimum of five years, show a blond color with green nuances, dry flavor with hints of sweet-bitter tastes, certainly different from any other type of whisky. Excellent at the end of a meal as digestive
Scotch Whisky - excellent as an aperitif, ?on the rocks?, as digestive, also used for cooking
Tennessee Whiskey - is distilled from a fermented blend made of corn, at least 51%, and rye, barley and oat. After distillation is filtered by using white maple charcoal from Tennessee. Aged for at least 5 years in toasted oak casks, has a full taste and flower aromas. Excellent as aperitif, with ice or natural or tonic water
Whisky or whiskey? The difference between whisky and whiskey is fundamental: whisky is the one traditionally produced in Scotland whereas whiskey is the one produced in Ireland. There are other differences as well. In Scotland barley is dried with peat's smoke, which also gives malt smoky aromas and will be found in the final product. In Ireland malt is being dried in closed ovens, therefore its taste is not contaminated and keeps the typical aromas of malt and honey. Another difference is that in Ireland whiskey is distilled three times in order to have a more pure and round beverage, in Scotland whisky is usually distilled two times. "



 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Clair de Lune

Question 2: (most curious)
Scotch usually prides itself in single malt and extended aging. How come the same doesn't apply to Bourbon or domestic Whiskey? Is Jim Beam single malt? How come I don't see Jim Beam or Jack Daniel's boasting to be 12 years old. Why not?

because jim and jack are cheap. you want old bourbon you can get old bourbon.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Clair de Lune

Question 2: (most curious)
Scotch usually prides itself in single malt and extended aging. How come the same doesn't apply to Bourbon or domestic Whiskey? Is Jim Beam single malt? How come I don't see Jim Beam or Jack Daniel's boasting to be 12 years old. Why not?

because jim and jack are cheap. you want old bourbon you can get old bourbon.

jim and jack are not bourbon, but Tennessee whiskey, being that they are charcoal filtered
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Clair de Lune
My understanding:

Whiskey is an umbrella of distilled grain spirit that includes both bourbon and scotch.

Bourbon
-Aged 2 years minimum in US
-51% of grain mash must be corn.
-Ages in oak barrels

Scotch
-Must come from a Scottish distillery
-100% of malted mash must be barley
-Ages in oak barrels for 3 years and 1 day minimum.

Question 1:
Can you name a Whiskey that is neither a scotch or bourbon? For example what is the difference between Jack Daniel's (plain whiskey) and Jim Beam (Bourbon whiskey). Is Jack not made from 51% corn? What is the biggest differentiating factor?
amoung others, Crown Royal (canadian), jameson (irish), and russells (rye)

Question 2: (most curious)
Scotch usually prides itself in single malt and extended aging. How come the same doesn't apply to Bourbon or domestic Whiskey? Is Jim Beam single malt? How come I don't see Jim Beam or Jack Daniel's boasting to be 12 years old. Why not?

jim beam is cheap trash first off, aging takes time and time is money, i believe jack is aged for 7 years, but not entirely sure.

In my opinion, scotch gets more of its flavor from the aging process, and is generally a top shelf liquor only, and as such is aged longer than a mid priced irish or bourbon whiskey or a cheap bourbon or canadian or rye. That said i do own a 15 year scotch, a 12 year irish and a 12 year bourbon.

As far as tastes good, canadian is imo dry and bland, almost like an aged vodka, bourbon is slightly sweet and slightly smoky and very smooth for more expensive bottles, irish is very sweet and smooth, and scotch is very smoky and smooth. I've never had a rye, though i hear they are similar to bourbon but with extra 'spiciness'

Question 3:
Could you briefly describe what Brandy is and how it is different? Same for Cognac too.

Thanks :)

brandy is basically liquor distilled from grapes, and retains some of the grape flavors, and is then aged in the same process that you would for most other spirits. Cognac is a particular region of france and is its Brandy production. Like scotch, since it is seen as a more expensive product, it is aged longer and uses high quality methods than normal brandies, and is probably the most expensive liquor available based on my experience.
 

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot

jim and jack are not bourbon, but Tennessee whiskey, being that they are charcoal filtered

jim sure as hell is bourbon. and i never said jack is bourbon. the question mentioned jack and jim, so i mentioned jack and jim. in fact, earlier in the thread i pointed out the difference between bourbon and tennessee whiskey. but thanks for not reading the thread.
 

BoomerD

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IMO, Tennesee whiskey such as JD IS a bourbon-ish whiskey...they sure taste about the same when they come back up...



(yes, I know...true bourbon HAS to come from Kentucky...that's why I said "bourbon-ish")

I don't like either one.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: miketheidiot

jim and jack are not bourbon, but Tennessee whiskey, being that they are charcoal filtered

jim sure as hell is bourbon. and i never said jack is bourbon. the question mentioned jack and jim, so i mentioned jack and jim. in fact, earlier in the thread i pointed out the difference between bourbon and tennessee whiskey. but thanks for not reading the thread.

what are you going on about? I did read the thread, and yes jim is a bourbon, not sure if i switched thought trains mid sentence or what there.
 

Gooberlx2

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I've never developed a taste for Whiskeys.

However, Pint's Pub in Denver has a ridiculous selection of Single Malt Whiskey...or, more accurately, Scotch (I think from above posts). They even offer a sort of course/class to learning about and developing a taste for the stuff. I should "enroll". :D
 

Tiamat

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Looks like all the questions have been answered satisfactorily.

Brandy is not related to whisk(e)y at all. It is a different branch of liquor under which falls Cognac from the Cognac region, Armagnac from the Armagnac region, and "Brandy" which describes all else.

 

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Originally posted by: Tiamat
Looks like all the questions have been answered satisfactorily.
They've been answered, but not really satisfactorily. No none came up with a good one-liner to answer it. How about tweaking this:

Question 0: Whisky, scotch, bourbon, etc are all forms of distilled grains with a goal to have the general whiskey flavors; the major difference between the names are geographical and minor changes are in the processing.

True, there is a great difference in flavor and drinkability among the different names. I personally think that Scotch > all.
 

Tiamat

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Tiamat
Looks like all the questions have been answered satisfactorily.
They've been answered, but not really satisfactorily. No none came up with a good one-liner to answer it. How about tweaking this:

Whisky, scotch, bourbon, etc are all forms of distilled grains with a goal to have the general whiskey flavors; the major difference between the names are geographical and minor changes are in the processing.


:)

Excellent = A+ >> Satisfactory = B
 
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Being a lifelong Kentucky resident, I feel that I need to start drinking some of the Bourbon made in my backyard. I used to do some work for Buffalo Trace up near Frankfort.