And of those 13 countries, how many of them have the resources or ability to help us establish a new Iraq?? Writing a letter for newspapers in Europe is a lot different from actually providing meaningful support. If we do this without the other major world powers on our sides, it will be unilateral. It will be the US and the US taxpayer that will be solely responsible for Iraq and the outcome.
And of those 13 countries, how many of them have the resources or ability to help us establish a new Iraq?? Writing a letter for newspapers in Europe is a lot different from actually providing meaningful support. If we do this without the other major world powers on our sides, it will be unilateral. It will be the US and the US taxpayer that will be solely responsible for Iraq and the outcome.
XMan
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Exactly. By limiting it only 30 years, you take away most of the successes. There haven't been many major wars or opportunies for regime change like World War II. But I would submit that South Korea and the others already mentioned were successful. Vietnam was not.
We didn't change the regime in South Korea. We protected the regime in South Korea. Democracy only arose in SK in the later 80's. Up until then we were perfectly fine with the military dictatorships. I excluded WWII Changes as basically the whole world changed regimes at that time making comparisons to the current situation less applicable.
I never said I wasn't biased. There are people here biased towards regime change, against regime change, don't care etc. I defy you to find an unbiased person on this forum.
I am not discarding. I am questioning. If you wish to rebut my statments go ahead. If you just don't like them, then sorry you don't have to participate. That is why this is a forum. I would really like to hear the counter arguments as to why these were a success. I may be wrong, so argue.
SagaLore
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you defy me what?Of course we have a bias.
Most of just don't start a debate on the premise that we're trying to learn something when we've already made our minds up. Especially purposely handicapp the argument to make a point. That's just a cheap shot nef. Originally posted by: SagaLore
I defy you to find an unbiased person on the forum, in the world whatever. No such thing as an unbiased person.
Of course we have a bias.
Of course. I should preface all my posts with the statment, "this is really meant to start a discussion" not really to answer a specific focused question. First time I have been called a Nef.
SagaLore
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Originally posted by: justint
Originally posted by: SagaLore
I defy you to find an unbiased person on the forum, in the world whatever. No such thing as an unbiased person.
Of course we have a bias.
Of course. I should preface all my posts with the statment, "this is really meant to start a discussion" not really to answer a specific focused question. First time I have been called a Nef.
I wasn't calling you a nef.
The US is damned if they do, damned if they don't. If the US has helped only one country then it is a success. The US has helped many countries in the past 30 or 100 years. How many other countries have been able to get regime changes in other countries?
Okay, I should have asked this from the beginning.
What criteria should be used to define a successfull regime change?
What criteria should be used to define a successfull regime change?
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