Can you have reason for doing something, without having motivation?

[Tweak155]

Title says it.

Can you have reason for doing something, without having motivation?

I do have an opinion, but to save this thread from people that want to only argue against me, I'll hold it until later.

 

[nakedfrog]

Isn't your reason for doing something your motivation for doing it?

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Isn't your reason for doing something your motivation for doing it?

Is it?

 

[DnetMHZ]

If my boss tells me to do something. That is a reason to do it. It doesn't give me motivation to do it.

 

[Farang]

From dictionary.com:

1. the psychological feature that arouses an organism to action toward a desired goal; the reason for the action; that which gives purpose and direction to behavior; "we did not understand his motivation"; "he acted with the best of motives"

edit: that is my way of saying "this thread sucks"

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
If my boss tells me to do something. That is a reason to do it. It doesn't give me motivation to do it.

Motivation could be to not get fired. Need one more clear cut.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Farang
From dictionary.com:

1. the psychological feature that arouses an organism to action toward a desired goal; the reason for the action; that which gives purpose and direction to behavior; "we did not understand his motivation"; "he acted with the best of motives"

edit: that is my way of saying "this thread sucks"

That is motivation containing reason, not reason containing motivation.

EDIT:

2 points for defining the wrong word though.

 

[BigToque]

You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
If my boss tells me to do something. That is a reason to do it. It doesn't give me motivation to do it.

It does to. You want to keep your job, so you do the work, that is motivation.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

There was no motivation for the knee to move unless you intentionally moved your leg to please the doctor, or intentionally prevented the knee from moving so the doctor will give you some drugs )

 

[Mr Pickles]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

Don't get technical where there is no point in getting technical. Things that are out of your control, including your body's reaction to being hit with something, are special cases that shouldn't be considered during this discussion.

Great discussion topic though.

 

[gingerstewart55]

Reason and motivation are essentially synonyms of each other.........if you have a reason for doing a particular task, you have your motivation...your reason. If you need some motivation to do something, look at the reason you are doing it and that becomes your motivation.

 

[Kelemvor]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

It's called an Involuntary Reflex. It means you have no control over it which means you weren't motivated or not motivated to do it. Your body did it on its own.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: MrLee

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

Don't get technical where there is no point in getting technical. Things that are out of your control, including your body's reaction to being hit with something, are special cases that shouldn't be considered during this discussion.

Great discussion topic though.

That is the point though. You do an action with REASON to the action, but YOU did not have motivation.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: Kelemvor

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

It's called an Involuntary Reflex. It means you have no control over it which means you weren't motivated or not motivated to do it. Your body did it on its own.

Which is reason without motivation. The reason being you couldn't control it, but your body did it.

 

[tw1164]

You can die w/o motivation.

 

[DaveSimmons]

There are reasons to do many things like daily exercise and eating only healthy food.

Those reasons are not motivation ( = reasons that we listen to ) for most of us.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: tw1164
You can die w/o motivation.

But unless you are committing suicide, you aren't doing that action.

EDIT:

I guess that negates the knee - hammer idea.

 

[ranmaniac]

Sure, you could be creating this thread to waste everyone's time, and I'm guilty for posting in it.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Sure, you could be creating this thread to waste everyone's time, and I'm guilty for posting in it.

Maybe my motivation was to waste everyone's time?

It wasn't though - but because wasting time occurred, did I perform that action, therefor it no longer has motivation, but reason?

EDIT:

Or was the reason you wasted time was because you were motivated to read this thread based on the title?

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Kelemvor

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

It's called an Involuntary Reflex. It means you have no control over it which means you weren't motivated or not motivated to do it. Your body did it on its own.

Which is reason without motivation. The reason being you couldn't control it, but your body did it.

Motivation is a characteristic of consciousness. Your body is not conscious. Your body reacts without motivation to stimulus it detects.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at in this topic.

 

[Tweak155]

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: Kelemvor

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: BigToque
You don't do anything without some kind of motivation.

You take out the garbage because you don't want to be yelled at.

You study to pass a class so you don't get an F.

Your motivation is unique to you, but that motivation has to exist for an action to occur (unless you're speaking about involuntary action such as you moving your leg when the doctor taps your knee with the little hammer).

Your last example is interesting. The reason your leg moved was because the doctor hit it, you personally did not have motivation for that action?

It's called an Involuntary Reflex. It means you have no control over it which means you weren't motivated or not motivated to do it. Your body did it on its own.

Which is reason without motivation. The reason being you couldn't control it, but your body did it.

Motivation is a characteristic of consciousness. Your body is not conscious. Your body reacts without motivation to stimulus it detects.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at in this topic.

Got to that in the "die without motivation" post, just with a different idea.

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Tweak155

Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Sure, you could be creating this thread to waste everyone's time, and I'm guilty for posting in it.

Maybe my motivation was to waste everyone's time?

It wasn't though - but because wasting time occurred, did I perform that action, therefor it no longer has motivation, but reason?

EDIT:

Or was the reason you wasted time was because you were motivated to read this thread based on the title?

You posted this thread because you had some motivation to do so. "Time wasting" occurs to those who click the thread in order to waste time. You didn't perform the action of time wasting. Other people did.

 

[Skeeedunt]

You're going to need to be more specific.