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Can you do the following with a car?

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Cristatus

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Have the car in gear, press the clutch, and turn the ignition, and have the car start. It is possible, right?

So then, why don't people do this?

My friend has a silly habit of putting the car in neutral, and pulling the handbrake when he turns the car off, so that when he starts the car, all he has to do is turn the key. But if someone was messing around with the gear stick, for god knows what reason, and was in first, he would have the car jump, because he doesn't press the clutch?

Shouldn't you normally be pressing the clutch anyways?
 
i don't put my manual in neutral
i have to press in the clutch AFAIK, i don't think it will start even in neutral with the clutch out, but i am not sure, i never tried that
 
yes you can do that...

on saabs you HAVE to put the trans into Reverse to get the key out of the ignition, and the clutch MUST be depressed to start the car.
 
On most cars you have to have the clutch it to start the car, it doesn't matter what gear your in. I have the car in neutral with the hand brake on always just saw my horrible memory is spared a stalled car in the morning and what not.
 
Mine won't start unless the clutch is in. In gear or not, the starter won't engage. I keep it in gear while parked because today's parking brakes don't work for crap.
 
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
yes you can do that...

on saabs you HAVE to put the trans into Reverse to get the key out of the ignition, and the clutch MUST be depressed to start the car.
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That's fvcking stupid....the reverse part that is.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
yes you can do that...

on saabs you HAVE to put the trans into Reverse to get the key out of the ignition, and the clutch MUST be depressed to start the car.
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That's fvcking stupid....the reverse part that is.
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It is, because, what if you're on a hill?
 
Originally posted by: logic1485
Have the car in gear, press the clutch, and turn the ignition, and have the car start. It is possible, right?

So then, why don't people do this?

My friend has a silly habit of putting the car in neutral, and pulling the handbrake when he turns the car off, so that when he starts the car, all he has to do is turn the key. But if someone was messing around with the gear stick, for god knows what reason, and was in first, he would have the car jump, because he doesn't press the clutch?

Shouldn't you normally be pressing the clutch anyways?
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that's generally how i start my car...
 
Yeah, almost all modern cars have clutch switches for safety so you have to put the clutch in to start the car. I found out the hard way one day that my old Jeep doesn't though. 😉
 
Most cars have a neutral safety switch that will not allow you to start the car without the clutch pedal depressed...
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
yes you can do that...

on saabs you HAVE to put the trans into Reverse to get the key out of the ignition, and the clutch MUST be depressed to start the car.
Click to expand...
That's fvcking stupid....the reverse part that is.
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why?

it protects the car from rolling down.

by the time you do it 3 times, its so quick and easy.
 
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
yes you can do that...

on saabs you HAVE to put the trans into Reverse to get the key out of the ignition, and the clutch MUST be depressed to start the car.
Click to expand...
That's fvcking stupid....the reverse part that is.
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why?

it protects the car from rolling down.

by the time you do it 3 times, its so quick and easy.
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It's retarded...plain and simple. It's Saab...so I guess that's expected.
 
Well, my mate drives a Mazda Demio (UK S-reg, don't know what year that relates to), so I don't think it does that automatic clutch thingy.
 
Originally posted by: logic1485
Have the car in gear, press the clutch, and turn the ignition, and have the car start. It is possible, right?

So then, why don't people do this?

My friend has a silly habit of putting the car in neutral, and pulling the handbrake when he turns the car off, so that when he starts the car, all he has to do is turn the key. But if someone was messing around with the gear stick, for god knows what reason, and was in first, he would have the car jump, because he doesn't press the clutch?

Shouldn't you normally be pressing the clutch anyways?
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Because when you own a manual car it just becomes second nature to do all of the following in one motion taking about 1 second...

1) clutch in
2) shift to neutral (most times it already is)
3) turn ignition

 
Originally posted by: logic1485
Have the car in gear, press the clutch, and turn the ignition, and have the car start. It is possible, right?

So then, why don't people do this?

My friend has a silly habit of putting the car in neutral, and pulling the handbrake when he turns the car off, so that when he starts the car, all he has to do is turn the key. But if someone was messing around with the gear stick, for god knows what reason, and was in first, he would have the car jump, because he doesn't press the clutch?

Shouldn't you normally be pressing the clutch anyways?
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Yes this is how i do things...
there is no reason to start in neut.
I use 1st+ parking brake to make sure car stays put so its always in gear.
 
I leave the car in 1st or reverse with the parking brake on and press the clutch while starting. I would never leave a manual transmission in neutral when parked and I would never park without using the parking brake.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I leave the car in 1st or reverse with the parking brake on and press the clutch while starting. I would never leave a manual transmission in neutral when parked and I would never park without using the parking brake.

ZV
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Odd, on my auto Ford F150 I almost -never- put on the parking break unless I am on a steep hill. How does that boil out for other people that drive autos?
 
Originally posted by: randal
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I leave the car in 1st or reverse with the parking brake on and press the clutch while starting. I would never leave a manual transmission in neutral when parked and I would never park without using the parking brake.

ZV
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Odd, on my auto Ford F150 I almost -never- put on the parking break unless I am on a steep hill. How does that boil out for other people that drive autos?
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Autos never need to use the hand brakes. I don't even know why they give hand brakes, becase autos are supposed to lock the weels in place in P anyways.
 
Originally posted by: randal
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I leave the car in 1st or reverse with the parking brake on and press the clutch while starting. I would never leave a manual transmission in neutral when parked and I would never park without using the parking brake.

ZV
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Odd, on my auto Ford F150 I almost -never- put on the parking break unless I am on a steep hill. How does that boil out for other people that drive autos?
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Have you seen how tiny the parking "lock" is for an automatic transmission? Also, on many occasions failure to use the parking brake even on an automatic can cause the transmission to "bind" a little bit after the car settles into place, so I like to avoid that.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
yes you can do that...

on saabs you HAVE to put the trans into Reverse to get the key out of the ignition, and the clutch MUST be depressed to start the car.
Click to expand...
That's fvcking stupid....the reverse part that is.
Click to expand...

why?

it protects the car from rolling down.

by the time you do it 3 times, its so quick and easy.
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How many people park on hills on a regular basis?
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: logic1485
Autos never need to use the hand brakes.
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So, so wrong. Very common thought, but still wrong. See above.

ZV
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Even on premium car brands such as MB, BMW, Lexus, Porsche et al?

And I'm pretty sure that sizes have changed since ages ago. How do I look at the parking "lock" and what is a good size?
 
People don't do it because they forget they are in gear when they engage the flywheel and it's scary.
 
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
yes you can do that...

on saabs you HAVE to put the trans into Reverse to get the key out of the ignition, and the clutch MUST be depressed to start the car.
Click to expand...
That's fvcking stupid....the reverse part that is.
Click to expand...

why?

it protects the car from rolling down.

by the time you do it 3 times, its so quick and easy.
Click to expand...
How many people park on hills on a regular basis?
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For the people with sloping driveways, almost everyday. Obviously it depends on the kind of gradient that we are talking about.
 
Originally posted by: logic1485
How do I look at the parking "lock" and what is a good size?
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You would have to dis-assemble the transmission. The parking lock is essentially a single gear tooth that jams the rotating assembly on the inside of the transmission. It does not act on the wheels at all.

ZV
 
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