Can you believe this damn goverment is banning online gambling!!!

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Dont care, I dont gamble. Its a tax on people who cant do math

Which would be why I made around $200 on my initial $20 bet wagering on World Cup games?

 

[Fritzo]

Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

 

[Fingolfin269]

So now you just need to start gambling online, get busted, and fight the law in court. Surely some of the rich poker players would help back your cause.

 

[LanceM]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
inconsistency, hypocrisy and failure of the legislative system. discretion my ass

So all of our laws should be black and white?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

 

[crownjules]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Dont care, I dont gamble. Its a tax on people who cant do math

People who think like this aggrivate me a lot. "IT DOESN'T EFFECT ME, WHY SHOULD I CARE?"

You should care because it's your government asserting more control over dictacting what a person can or can't do. You should care because it means that the government and, more importantly, the banks that they are forcing to police this law are going to have to come up with the funding somewhere to do this. Those are just two points.

These things have a way of affecting everyone, whether directly or not. Indifference is why this country is going down the tubes.

EDIT: Toned down my initial outburst.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: crownjules

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Dont care, I dont gamble. Its a tax on people who cant do math

You are the people who I hate.

Weird.

 

[Staples]

I actually support the measure.

I am just so surprised that the government actually passed a sweeping legislation.

When has that ever happened before? Perhaps this legislation could have been something more important since nothing this big will ever happen again.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
Dont care, I dont gamble. Its a tax on people who cant do math

You're confusing gambling with state-run lotteries, wise guy...

Poker is a game of mathematical skill.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

so basically becuase we dont fully understand or know about a topic or activity...we should just ban it. Also..there are a few sites ..the big ones...that are publicly owned...

AND instead of making it illegal..make it legal...regulate it, and then tax it...

everyone is a winner...except those who dont know how to control themselves..and even then if someone doesnt know how to control themselves..there gonna lose there money, or get addicted to something eventually anyway. Its not like a person is just gonna have an addiction to poker..these people have an addictive personality.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

That is the most retarded response I've seen you give to a complex issue, usually your fairly astute.

Maybe we should legalize online insurance companies and banks too, let any entity that can get on the internet sell insurance, or run a bank, from anywhere in the world, and if they don't pay claims, or abscond with your deposits, oh well.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

That is the most retarded response I've seen you give to a complex issue, usually your fairly astute.

Maybe we should legalize online insurance companies and banks too, let any entity that can get on the internet sell insurance, or run a bank, from anywhere in the world, and if they don't pay claims, or abscond with your deposits, oh well.

Wow... what a lovely but absolutely ridiculous straw man you've created here.

Is it your argument then, that a legal and regulated online gaming casino can never deliver on their promised product?

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

That is the most retarded response I've seen you give to a complex issue, usually your fairly astute.

Maybe we should legalize online insurance companies and banks too, let any entity that can get on the internet sell insurance, or run a bank, from anywhere in the world, and if they don't pay claims, or abscond with your deposits, oh well.

That's ridiculous. By legalizing it, you can force gambling service providers into regulation. This is justa blatent display of protectionism spiced up with a good dose of nanny-statism.

Bring online gambling into regulation and reap the taxes.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

That is the most retarded response I've seen you give to a complex issue, usually your fairly astute.

Maybe we should legalize online insurance companies and banks too, let any entity that can get on the internet sell insurance, or run a bank, from anywhere in the world, and if they don't pay claims, or abscond with your deposits, oh well.

Wow... what a lovely but absolutely ridiculous straw man you've created here.

Is it your argument then, that a legal and regulated online gaming casino can never deliver on their promised product?

My argument is there is no such thing as a "regulated" online gaming casino, because it is impossible to regulate sufficiently to overcome the drawbacks.

1. there isn't sufficient means on the internet, to allow "legal" casinos and prevent "illegal" casinos.
2. And even at an online "legal" casino, there isn't a way to know if a player is actually who they claim to be. So you can't regulate by age, or prevent identity theft.
3. Any use of credit cards means that even if the player is who they say they are, you are letting them play with unsecured borrowed money.

Compare any of those issues with a physical casino operation, and there's no comparison of the ability to regulate.

Now, you may have some ideas to deal with these issues, but simply giving a one word answer, "legalize", doesn't address any of these issues, or if they even could be addressed.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: everman
The bill appropriates $10,000,000 a year for the next four years to the DOJ for enforcement. More wasteful spending and tax increases to fund it. They should just tax gambling sites at a higher rate, bring in more tax dollars, everyone is happy.

Actually, when you consider that billions of dollars are leaving our economy to some third world country that hosts these poker programs, it makes financial sense for the government to do this.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Vic
Legalize. Problem solved.

gambling has been legal in vegas forever and it was still run by the mafia.

anyway, i'm not sure why this repost hasn't been locked yet

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Vic
Legalize. Problem solved.

gambling has been legal in vegas forever and it was still run by the mafia.

Not since the '70s it hasn't. They are public corporations traded on Wall Street.

This legislation BTW is protectionism that was pushed through by those Vegas casinos.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

That is the most retarded response I've seen you give to a complex issue, usually your fairly astute.

Maybe we should legalize online insurance companies and banks too, let any entity that can get on the internet sell insurance, or run a bank, from anywhere in the world, and if they don't pay claims, or abscond with your deposits, oh well.

Wow... what a lovely but absolutely ridiculous straw man you've created here.

Is it your argument then, that a legal and regulated online gaming casino can never deliver on their promised product?

My argument is there is no such thing as a "regulated" online gaming casino, because it is impossible to regulate sufficiently to overcome the drawbacks.

1. there isn't sufficient means on the internet, to allow "legal" casinos and prevent "illegal" casinos.
2. And even at an online "legal" casino, there isn't a way to know if a player is actually who they claim to be. So you can't regulate by age, or prevent identity theft.
3. Any use of credit cards means that even if the player is who they say they are, you are letting them play with unsecured borrowed money.

Compare any of those issues with a physical casino operation, and there's no comparison of the ability to regulate.

Now, you may have some ideas to deal with these issues, but simply giving a one word answer, "legalize", doesn't address any of these issues, or if they even could be addressed.

Wow... based on your logic, we better outlaw online shopping.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

That is the most retarded response I've seen you give to a complex issue, usually your fairly astute.

Maybe we should legalize online insurance companies and banks too, let any entity that can get on the internet sell insurance, or run a bank, from anywhere in the world, and if they don't pay claims, or abscond with your deposits, oh well.

Wow... what a lovely but absolutely ridiculous straw man you've created here.

Is it your argument then, that a legal and regulated online gaming casino can never deliver on their promised product?

My argument is there is no such thing as a "regulated" online gaming casino, because it is impossible to regulate sufficiently to overcome the drawbacks.

1. there isn't sufficient means on the internet, to allow "legal" casinos and prevent "illegal" casinos.
2. And even at an online "legal" casino, there isn't a way to know if a player is actually who they claim to be. So you can't regulate by age, or prevent identity theft.
3. Any use of credit cards means that even if the player is who they say they are, you are letting them play with unsecured borrowed money.

Compare any of those issues with a physical casino operation, and there's no comparison of the ability to regulate.

Now, you may have some ideas to deal with these issues, but simply giving a one word answer, "legalize", doesn't address any of these issues, or if they even could be addressed.

Wow... based on your logic, we better outlaw online shopping.

You want to legalize online gambling because, according to you, it's just like online shopping ?

 

[ultimatebob]

My hunch is that Harrah's and Trump had a bunch of lobbyists in Washington trying to push this into law. All of this online gaming is probably cutting into their casino profits.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Not only is it technically illegal, funds from many of those sites go to organized crime. Internet gambling and porn are funding today's mafia because funds from these sites often go over seas and can't be tracked.

I'm sorry that blowing your paycheck on online poker to prevent organized crime disagrees with you.

Please.... PartyGaming is a publicly-trading company on the London Stock Exchange.

The issue isn't that it's impossible to have a legitimate company, it's that there's no way to prevent or even discourage criminal organizations.

You are well versed in "risk", surely you can see that there's no way to manage the risk of online gambling, it's way to easy to steal identity on the internet, or just not pay off gambling debts, and the potential losses are incredibly large, or know what entity is behind all the gambling sites, whch is why it's so much worse than other forms of ID theft, which are bad enough.

Legalize. Problem solved.

That is the most retarded response I've seen you give to a complex issue, usually your fairly astute.

Maybe we should legalize online insurance companies and banks too, let any entity that can get on the internet sell insurance, or run a bank, from anywhere in the world, and if they don't pay claims, or abscond with your deposits, oh well.

Wow... what a lovely but absolutely ridiculous straw man you've created here.

Is it your argument then, that a legal and regulated online gaming casino can never deliver on their promised product?

My argument is there is no such thing as a "regulated" online gaming casino, because it is impossible to regulate sufficiently to overcome the drawbacks.

1. there isn't sufficient means on the internet, to allow "legal" casinos and prevent "illegal" casinos.
2. And even at an online "legal" casino, there isn't a way to know if a player is actually who they claim to be. So you can't regulate by age, or prevent identity theft.
3. Any use of credit cards means that even if the player is who they say they are, you are letting them play with unsecured borrowed money.

Compare any of those issues with a physical casino operation, and there's no comparison of the ability to regulate.

Now, you may have some ideas to deal with these issues, but simply giving a one word answer, "legalize", doesn't address any of these issues, or if they even could be addressed.

Wow... based on your logic, we better outlaw online shopping.

You want to legalize online gambling because, according to you, it's just like online shopping ?

There's a customer and a product, is there not? A voluntary exchange of goods and services, no?

By your own logic:
1. There isn't sufficent means to control legal online shopping services and illegal ones.
2. Even at a legal shopping site, there is no way to guarantee that the person is who they claim to be.
3. You're letting people buy things they with unsecured borrowed money that they might not be able to afford to pay back.

Seriously, it's the same thing. You're just being nanny-istic about it because you're (obviously) morally opposed to the product in question. What's your position on online pay porn sites?

 

[zoiks]

:thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
My hunch is that Harrah's and Trump had a bunch of lobbyists in Washington trying to push this into law. All of this online gaming is probably cutting into their casino profits.

Your hunch is correct. MGM Mirage and the various Indian casinos had a lot of influence in this as well.

Basically, I can't gamble online from the comfort of my home anymore, I have to drive 50 miles to the nearest Indian casino. That's what this is all about.