Can you believe this damn goverment is banning online gambling!!!

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: episodic
You are late. It has been approved by the house and senate. Bush will sign it.


BTW - this whole thing is a REPOST x2

the site OP linked cites HR4411.

that bill hasn't seen action since july. Accord to Thomas and other bill tracking sites. If there's another bill or it was stuff in between some other bill then I have no clue on that. This doesn't affect me as I do not gamble online, so I don't follow or read up on it.

 

[fallensight]

The only thing any gambling law are created for is to protect the monopoly a few have on it. State lotto and indian reservations(just trhe thing abramoff was lobbing for)

 

[Beev]

Yeah, I earn my money. It's MINE. I should be able to spend it how I want. Now give me a hooker. It's my money and I'll do what I want with it. Poker in general has gotten way too big. When average joe's quit their jobs and barely make enough for rent from their online poker then someone needs to intervene. Even if it's the government.

 

[Slammy1]

I dunno. I work in an envrionment that requires cfr part 211 compliance in all computer data. Sure, theres so much data and there's always a watcher that's not really watched. You're still open to lying about age, even in regular gambling (for example). I remember some friends telling me they used to ride their bikes to this one liquor store when they were in Jr High School without fake IDs, and I'm American (same liquor store we bought from in High School, they never carded). Always someway to circumnavigate the system, just turns the activity into something criminal. I mean, people argue in banning guns you merely take them away from the honest people, same with anything being made illegal. You could take this topic in a million directions.

I prefer to think it is a government conspiracy as it makes better conversation.

 

[Kadarin]

I'm so glad I live in a "free country"... So what, exactly, is this "freedom" that we're supposed to have?

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I'm so glad I live in a "free country"... So what, exactly, is this "freedom" that we're supposed to have?

You are free to go to any number of legal casinos and gamble til your eyes fall out.

But, there is no way to maintain any kind of control over internet gambling, and "freedom" doesn't mean the right to infringe on other people's "freedom", which is impossible to prevent with internet gambling.

 

[moshquerade]

who cares.

 

[ch33zw1z]

gambling should be legal everywhere...hell, states hold lotterys...that's gambling, but the goverment is ok w/ it cause they can skim off the top...damn double standards in this "free" country everytime you turn around.

 

[FoBoT]

<Nelson> HA! HA! </Nelson>

 

[sao123]

people who gamble should be force to sign a waiver that they forfeit all rights and privelages to recieve government sponsored or subsudized aid... (wlefare, unemployment, food stamps, allimony, child support, bankruptcy, debt forgiveness, etc)


all the people gamble away their money and then expect to live off taxpayers backs...

BULLSH1T.

 

[Kelemvor]

As far as I heard it jsut stops banks from sending money to other countrise for gambling. I'm sure someone will come up with a way that they will just sell you a penceil for $500 and for every pencil you buy, they give you some free credist to their gambling site or something like that...

 

[Linflas]

All they have done is create a new business opportunity for some entrepreneurs outside of the US to set up an intermediary business to handle these transactions.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: everman
The bill appropriates $10,000,000 a year for the next four years to the DOJ for enforcement. More wasteful spending and tax increases to fund it. They should just tax gambling sites at a higher rate, bring in more tax dollars, everyone is happy.

and just how is the US Government going to tax a off shore gambling site?

Ban online gambling, billions of dollars are being sent overseas that does not benifit our country at all.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Originally posted by: sao123
people who gamble should be force to sign a waiver that they forfeit all rights and privelages to recieve government sponsored or subsudized aid... (wlefare, unemployment, food stamps, allimony, child support, bankruptcy, debt forgiveness, etc)


all the people gamble away their money and then expect to live off taxpayers backs...

BULLSH1T.

People who cant afford to gamble shouldnt...like people who cant afford to drink, smoke, party, etc.....


Poker can be a game of SKILL. Yes I guess its still gambling but there IS a reason why the same people continue to make a profit while people continue to lose. There are odds in poker, and very clear skill of reading betting patterns, and in real life reading tells helps too. Lumping poker in with pure luck games is unresonable...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: flamingelephant
my personal favorite part of it is that you can still bet on horse racing, but for some reason not sports...... someone explain that difference!

This legislation is protectionism for the domestic brick-and-mortar casinos against the offshore online casinos.


edit: poker is a game of skill, not luck. Note that there are no professional slots players.

 

[compuwiz1]

Here's the way I see it.

1. You don't know who / which country, you are giving your money to, when you gamble online.
2. Do we know, for sure, we are not funding terrorists, either directly, or indirectly?
3. Who regulates "fair odds", in online gambling?
4. Anything done as fast as the click of a mouse, has got too much damage potential for compulsive or impulsive personality types.


I kind of see online gambling as the wild west of the internet. While I don't personally trust gambling online, I know plenty of people who do it regularly, and they lose a bundle.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
who cares.

Those who value freedom. You know, the entire reason this country was founded to begin with........

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I'm so glad I live in a "free country"... So what, exactly, is this "freedom" that we're supposed to have?

You are free to go to any number of legal casinos and gamble til your eyes fall out.

But, there is no way to maintain any kind of control over internet gambling, and "freedom" doesn't mean the right to infringe on other people's "freedom", which is impossible to prevent with internet gambling.

So if I chose to do some internet gambling, whose freedom would I be infringing? Oh, right, the freedom of the owners of the casinos in Nevada or the indian reservations to make money off of me, or the freedom of the government to get that tax revenue off of me...

 

[j00fek]

sorry, but welcome to conservitive america

 

[vi edit]

I see it being done for a number of reasons mentioned in this thread, none of which I really disagree with on an individual level.

I've got roughly 10 casinos within a 2 hour drive (5 of them in 45 minutes) of me that I can hit up if I feel so inclined. *shrug*

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: everman
The bill appropriates $10,000,000 a year for the next four years to the DOJ for enforcement. More wasteful spending and tax increases to fund it. They should just tax gambling sites at a higher rate, bring in more tax dollars, everyone is happy.

They couldn't enforce this since gambling sites are typically based in countries where the US has very little sway.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I see it being done for a number of reasons mentioned in this thread, none of which I really disagree with on an individual level.

I've got roughly 10 casinos within a 2 hour drive (5 of them in 45 minutes) of me that I can hit up if I feel so inclined. *shrug*

same here. though the numbers are smaller. we have something liek 5 in 2 hour drive. also ab out 20 minutes away a indian tribe sued a town to get back land they had (they won). they are thinking of putting up a casino on the property now.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: moshquerade
who cares.

Those who value freedom. You know, the entire reason this country was founded to begin with........

where is the bleeding heart emoticon when you need it?

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I'm so glad I live in a "free country"... So what, exactly, is this "freedom" that we're supposed to have?

You are free to go to any number of legal casinos and gamble til your eyes fall out.

But, there is no way to maintain any kind of control over internet gambling, and "freedom" doesn't mean the right to infringe on other people's "freedom", which is impossible to prevent with internet gambling.

So if I chose to do some internet gambling, whose freedom would I be infringing? Oh, right, the freedom of the owners of the casinos in Nevada or the indian reservations to make money off of me, or the freedom of the government to get that tax revenue off of me...

Compuwiz already pointed out some of the ways internet gambling can infringe on other people's freedom. Here are some more.

1. online gambling could infringe on your freedom by defrauding you and others out of their money by running crooked games.

2. people who gamble online could steal money from you and everyone else by using stolen credit card numbers, or not paying off their credit card debts.

3. Your comment about taxes is incredibly stupid. Take away tax revenue from one source, and it will have to be made up somehow, mainly by making the other taxes you pay higher.

4. if you'd rather give your money to criminals, than native Americans, go right ahead. That isn't freedom though, that's anarchy. You really think you'd be more free if criminals were in charge of everything ?

Whatever freedom you have, comes from the fact you live in a society based on the rule of law, the society you seem to prefer, anarchy, there is no freedom as long as there is one person with more strength or power than you, and there always is somebody with more strength or power.

 

[jlbenedict]

Guess whats next that the government will have their hands in:

Fantasy Sports ..

Its already been claimed that fantasy sports are a huge loss in work production
and outside of the free versions of online fantasy sports, its a form of gambling..