Can we stop the nonsense?

[phillyTIM]

I know a couple of other message forums that the Mods are "hands-off" in the Political/News portions.

Because they know just how unruly and passionate political areas (just like religious areas) can be.

The members who post in the political areas are responsible for conducting themselves appropriately, and that's the only rule.

I think we're only here to this point is because a few of the vocal bush apologists are feeling like they are losing the battle because the bush regime itself is in a quagmire. they spent all these months gung-ho about the war with their testosterone-induced posts, but now that their backs are against the wall for proof, and none has been produced, they have nothing to do but "cry wolf".

It's rather funny, and fitting actually, they have been reduced to acting like tattle-tail drama police. Too bad they're trying to drag down the rest of us, and our forum here, with them. They just need to leave.

 

[freegeeks]

what did I post on page 2 of this thread ???

you are joking right

these kind of agreements are unworkable

It's simple guys -- if you want a forum without flaming you need a MOD
he/she will decide what is acceptable and what not

a gentleman agreement will work for 1 day and then it will start all over

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Apparently some people are forgetting things around here such as our First Amendment Freedom of Speech rights.

If you guys are going to be childlishly tattle-tails then I will refuse to abide by all these efforts of good faith that we've talked about in this 100+ post thread topic.

I'm glad I tested the waters to show just how trigger-happy you KIDS are.

So you admit you were trolling with that statement and you are not aware that First Admendment rights do not extend to threats of bodily harm, especially against the President.

You have broken the agreement Philly, the question is what punishment is fitting.

He wasn't trolling; he posted it without thinking, then, about 10 minutes later, he realized that he went overboard...a guy back in Syracuse, NY when I lived there (long ago) wrote a letter to the president demanding something be done about unemployment and the fact that he can't work (Carter was in office)...he said, "If action isn't taken soon, I will take action." Needless to say, they came for him in a black truck about a week later...questioned him...returned him back home a few days later.

I wonder what the SS would think about a guy in the city of brotherly love posting this nonsense?

 

[Orsorum]

Let the mods *gasp* either designate one of their own to moderate the place or select a few of the more impartial regulars to act as honorary moderators. Those members can work as a two-some or a three-some, have the power to give warnings and vacations, but have those actions subject to review by the other honorary mods and ultimately by whichever mod was assigned to here in the first place, and whose authority would obviously overrule theirs.

 

[Gaard]

<<It's simple guys -- if you want a forum without flaming you need a MOD
he/she will decide what is acceptable and what not.>>

Horshack/ "Ooh, ooh, ooh"

Taking volunteers?

 

[phillyTIM]

I don't think we need mods at all here, there was a reason they dropped the moderation of this forum.

All I think is we need a few of you whiners with too much time on your hands to not always need to have the last word on subjects. Grow up - that's called.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Gaard
<<It's simple guys -- if you want a forum without flaming you need a MOD
he/she will decide what is acceptable and what not.>>

Horshack/ "Ooh, ooh, ooh"

Taking volunteers?

hell no

I'm not a big poster at all and it's clear to me that non-USA peeps are not very welcome here (see my sigh and it was not the first time).

I'm just not going to post anymore in P&N and just post my 1,46 average in OT or something

so this was probably my last post in P&N

happy flaming !!!!!

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

I think foreign members are more than welcome here; the problem is simple: most foreign members do nothing but bash the U.S. and Bush, then take offense when debate/topics hit a little closer to their home...everyone then becomes a "cattlehumper" and is asked to go have sex with farm animals. Is there any wonder why some foreign people feel less than welcome?

 

[Nitemare]

I'm game. While I normally don't instigate problems I have had no problems doing unto others as they have done upon me.

From now on I promise not to dish out any whoopass unless there is already a steaming pile of crap already on the table.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think foreign members are more than welcome here; the problem is simple: most foreign members do nothing but bash the U.S. and Bush, then take offense when debate/topics hit a little closer to their home...everyone then becomes a "cattlehumper" and is asked to go have sex with farm animals. Is there any wonder why some foreign people feel less than welcome?

Aren't you and freegeeks are just looking at each other in the mirror? You look identical to me. ---->"It's always that other guy. Me, I'm right."

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
I think foreign members are more than welcome here; the problem is simple: most foreign members do nothing but bash the U.S. and Bush, then take offense when debate/topics hit a little closer to their home...everyone then becomes a "cattlehumper" and is asked to go have sex with farm animals. Is there any wonder why some foreign people feel less than welcome?

Aren't you and freegeeks are just looking at each other in the mirror? You look identical to me. ---->"It's always that other guy. Me, I'm right."

What is your hangup with mirrors? No, we do not look at animals the same way, sir, sorry. Perhaps you should adjust your mirrors when looking at me.

 

[Moonbeam]

My point of view is that self regulation is sort of like the blind driving a car. We have no self-recognition of how we are a part of the problem we see out there. Therefore anything we do as suggestion and remedy is only more, or becomes more of the problem. We are impossible people because we are insane. "Help I have to have a Mod to control myself. I hate you Mod, I want to be free."

As the Germans said in the trenches in WW1. "Die laga is hofnungsloss aber nicht ernst ." Somebody better at German can fix that if it's wrong. "The situation is hopeless but not serious." But then, we are very self important people. We have the right to put down. Right?

"We are attached to our ideas. With them we identify. An attack on my idea is an attack on me."

"We are not our ideas. We do not self-identify with them. I offer my truth in good spirit; you're free to drink or not at your will."

The extinction we offer the forum is the extinction we offer the world.

Jesus showed us the way to salvation. In order to save the world you have to crucify yourself. You have to live with the pain of love.

To be alive means to be willing to trust. But don't forget to tie your camel.

 

[Moonbeam]

What is your hangup with mirrors
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I don't know, sir, but thanks for hanging one up for me. :beer:

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What is your hangup with mirrors
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I don't know, sir, but thanks for hanging one up for me. :beer:

Da Sie Deutsch sprechen, werden Sie dies verstehen: Ihr Spiegel ist gebrochen

 

[CaptnKirk]

They speak German on K-Pax ?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
They speak German on K-Pax ?

LOL

 

[Moonbeam]

Mirror Mirror on the wall,
Who's the fairest of them all.

Why xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx of course!
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There, now it's fixed.

 

[phillyTIM]

Moonie that probably really is an unnecessary personal attack, but I'm cool with it seein' how out of control jg & etech were this morning.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What is your hangup with mirrors
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I don't know, sir, but thanks for hanging one up for me. :beer:

Da Sie Deutsch sprechen, werden Sie dies verstehen: Ihr Spiegel ist gebrochen

Du brauchst eigentlich keine erforderliche Formalitaten wegen der Moonie. Er ist leider bei uns bekannt.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What is your hangup with mirrors
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I don't know, sir, but thanks for hanging one up for me. :beer:

Da Sie Deutsch sprechen, werden Sie dies verstehen: Ihr Spiegel ist gebrochen

Du brauchst eigentlich keine erforderliche Formalitaten wegen der Moonie. Er ist leider bei uns bekannt.

Stare not in the mirror with tainted eyes, for you might see the disillusionment of the masses cowardly looking to the sky though the same tainted eyes and discover the dark meanings of their sins. Rahmschnitzel isn't eventhing.

 

[LunarRay]

The following are "rules" proposed by Ultra Quiet. He asked that I post them in his stead.

Do Not Personally Attack Other Members

Personal attacks in the AT Forums are usually called "ad-homs." "Ad-hom" is
an abbreviated version of ad-hominem, a Latin term used to denote the
logical fallacy of attacking a person in the interest of discrediting an
idea. While not all personal attacks are ad-hominem, they are all forbidden
just the same. The rules against personal attacks are enforced strictly in
the AT Forums. Offenders will find themselves banned from the forums
altogether.

Recognize that You Do Not Have Free Speech

You do not have a right to free speech at AT. Blatantly racist, sexist, or
bigoted threads will be locked without question. If these are the sorts of
threads that you wish to create or take part in, then this is not the forum
for you. Leave now and save yourself the trouble.

Do Not Post Links with No Content

ATP & N serves as a clearing house for international news. Often times a
news item will be linked with the intent of setting off a discussion. A
"lazy link" is one that is posted to initiate a thread, but is accompanied
by little or no content. Remember, simply posting a link is not enough. It
is your job to describe the issue at hand. Talk about the page you're
linking to, parts you find fascinating, parts you agree or disagree with,
etc. It only takes a few sentences, and it allows readers of the Politics
and News Forum to get an idea of what you want them to read, and what you
want to discuss in particular.

Do Not Create Angry Rants

Many people feel that that ATP & N is the place to "vent your political
angst" (or religious angst, or sociological angst, etc.). This couldn't be
further from the truth. The ATP & N forum aspires to be a serious discussion
and debate forum--it is not a place to "let off steam." Too often, people
post threads that are merely rehashed vitriol. No one cares if you
absolutely hate republicans, or democrats, or vegans, or pro-life activists,
or what have you. That you dislike a particular subset of the population is
really not worthy of its own discussion unless you're prepared to be
specific and maintain a modicum of respect. In practice, this means
enumerating the reasons you find, say, a political party or social movement
objectionable. Try to explain it as though you were arguing with a college
professor, and not downing a beer at the local pub.

Recognize the Burden of Proof

Repeat after me: the burden of proof lies on the claimant. No matter the
topic of the thread, it is your job to show that there are substantial
reasons for believing the fundamentals of your argument. Like it or not,
most claims in the ATP & N forum will need to be referenced. This doesn't
mean that you need to whip out your MLA handbook, but it does mean that you
may be asked to provide a few hyperlinks. While it's okay to reference an
offline book, magazine, or journal, these sorts of resources are difficult
to check in a timely manner. In the ATP & N forum, you'll find very few
people who want to "take your word for it." If you don't feel like
referencing a specific claim, or you simply cannot recall where you acquired
a piece of information, you're better off not using it as the centerpiece of
your argument.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hehe, as familiar as your own reflection.
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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Moonie that probably really is an unnecessary personal attack, but I'm cool with it seein' how out of control jg & etech were this morning.

Well I don't see how it's a personal attack to tell somebody what they want to hear, or did you interpret my mirror being broken some other way? When you let go of the end of an inflated balloon it flies off in every direction.
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LR, I would add that the Moonbeam Duck Test suffices to meet the burden of proof.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, as familiar as your own reflection.
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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Moonie that probably really is an unnecessary personal attack, but I'm cool with it seein' how out of control jg & etech were this morning.

Well I don't see how it's a personal attack to tell somebody what they want to hear, or did you interpret my mirror being broken some other way? When you let go of the end of an inflated balloon it flies off in every direction.
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LR, I would add that the Moonbeam Duck Test suffices to meet the burden of proof.

Wow, Moonie, we are looking through the same eyes today; You see everything. This is scary.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, as familiar as your own reflection.
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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Moonie that probably really is an unnecessary personal attack, but I'm cool with it seein' how out of control jg & etech were this morning.

Well I don't see how it's a personal attack to tell somebody what they want to hear, or did you interpret my mirror being broken some other way? When you let go of the end of an inflated balloon it flies off in every direction.
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LR, I would add that the Moonbeam Duck Test suffices to meet the burden of proof.

Moonbeam, wenn wir nur mehr Zeit in Deutschland hatten!
Regarding the broken mirror tell him: Nehmen Sie zwei Tabletten alle vier Stunden. And don't forget to add: Ich hoffe, dass Sie sich bald besser fuhlen.
Regarding the Duck test... Quack, Quack, Quack, They sprechen too also as well..

 

[Moonbeam]

Repeat after me: the burden of proof lies on the claimant. No matter the
topic of the thread, it is your job to show that there are substantial
reasons for believing the fundamentals of your argument. Like it or not,
most claims in the ATP & N forum will need to be referenced. This doesn't
mean that you need to whip out your MLA handbook, but it does mean that you
may be asked to provide a few hyperlinks. While it's okay to reference an
offline book, magazine, or journal, these sorts of resources are difficult
to check in a timely manner. In the ATP & N forum, you'll find very few
people who want to "take your word for it." If you don't feel like
referencing a specific claim, or you simply cannot recall where you acquired
a piece of information, you're better off not using it as the centerpiece of
your argument
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This is exactly what I meant earlier when I said that rules are political. What this rule amounts to in my opinion is a pile of he said she said links, which leads then to my link is better than yours. This rule asks us to be parrots regurgitating somebody else's poo poo. There is more than one type of mind posting here. I don't want to be confined by literalists who think that issues are Gods. To me the issue of often irrelevant, some variation on sleepwalking man. The important thing to me is the underlying psychology that persuades people of this or that truth, the what's really going on here view point. Too many people, to my way of thinking, have no idea what feeling and intuitive truths are about. For that reason they can't even get to first base in understanding the meaning of life. How can people talk to a college professor when they haven't graduated first grade. And where are the links to understanding that happens in the mind. You may want to debate a tax cut, but I may want to know why. In that why is an immense hidden world, naturally, in my opinion.