Can we stop pretending that Fox is news ?

[nick1985]

Neither of those if the problem with Beck, and Olbermann is far better.

Your head is in the sand

 

[thepd7]

O'Reilly is not nearly as bad as Hannity and Beck. He shouldn't be lumped in with those guys. He was often pretty highly critical of Bush, and gives Obama credit on several issues. Plus, most of his guests disagree with him and it makes for good debate. His show is much easier to watch than the other two.

I disagree. I'm about as conservative as they come and O'Reilly is annoying as hell. Olbermann is a complete jackass too. They all suck. I don't understand how anyone can watch cable news. Acutally, I guess I do. Partisan hacks are the worst kind of people and cable news just pats them on the back for being close-minded morons.

 

[PokerGuy]

No, its YOUR homework. YOU made the statement and have not backed it up.

So you have proof that "everyone throughout" cnn, msnbc, abc, bbc, etc... is a "unashamed Obama supporter"?

I've backed it up plenty, you just want to be spoon fed, which I'm not going to do. If you'd like to learn something go ahead and knock yourself out.

 

[QuantumPion]

I've backed it up plenty, you just want to be spoon fed, which I'm not going to do. If you'd like to learn something go ahead and knock yourself out.

This thread has been hilarious.

PokerGuy: The sky is blue.

Marlin: Prove it.

PokerGuy: Look up.

Marlin: No, you have to prove it.

PokerGuy: Look up. The sky IS blue.

Marlin: NO! YOU MADE THE CLAIM AND YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT.

Pokerguy: :\

 

[PokerGuy]

This thread has been hilarious.

PokerGuy: The sky is blue.

Marlin: Prove it.

PokerGuy: Look up.

Marlin: No, you have to prove it.

PokerGuy: Look up. The sky IS blue.

Marlin: NO! YOU MADE THE CLAIM AND YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT.

Pokerguy: :\

Yup, that pretty much sums it up.

 

[jiggahertz]

Yea I typed "alan combs moderate" in google and got...

"I think I'm quite moderate," Colmes blandly told USA Today (2/1/95),

Google changed the name to Colmes so I am guessing that is him.

But I also do not watch network news. Of course I also do not have cable. :awe:

The guy wrote a book titled "Red, White & Liberal: How Left is Right & Right is Wrong" and refers to himself as a progressive. He's not on fox news anymore bot fox news radio does simulcast his radio show.

 

[PokerGuy]

refers to himself as a progressive.

Since the stench of failure and idiocy has been correctly applied to the term liberal, all the liberals have taken to calling themselves progressive instead. It's just another term for the same thing: an idiot.

 

[Bowfinger]

Oh please. When everyone throughout an organization is an admitted and unashamed Obama supporter, you think that organization is somehow going to be impartial? Fox is the only decent news outlet, the rest is generally liberal garbage.

I don't think there's a single thing you've dumped into this thread that you could support with factual data. You're just making up purely partisan nonsense to fit whatever point you're trying to create.

 

[Bowfinger]

This thread has been hilarious.

PokerGuy: The sky is green polka dots.

Marlin: No it's not. Prove it.

PokerGuy: Is too! I said so.

Marlin: No, you have to prove it.

PokerGuy: Is too! Is too! Is too!

Marlin: NO! YOU MADE THE CLAIM AND YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT.

Pokerguy: La la la la la

Fixed

Repeating the same partisan dogma over and over doesn't make it true, no matter how fervently you need to believe otherwise.

 

[werepossum]

No one is close to being as Biased as Fox, no one.

So when, say, ABC devoted a whole programming day to promoting Obama's vision of health care without a single dissenting view, that didn't make your list?

When CBS two weeks before a presidential election debuts a Dan Rather hit piece using documents so laughably fake that CBS couldn't even defend them for two weeks and had to cancel its scheduled two weeks of other made-up Bush-slamming stories, nothing for you?

When CNN has a "debate" on Clinton's policies hosted by George Stephanopolis (until a month or so before Clinton's senior adviser) with Carville and Begalla (two of the left's biggest attack dogs) representing the Democrat left and Bill Sammon (long-time Clinton personal friend and admitted Clinton voter) and David Gergen (worked in the Clinton WHite House) representing the Republican right, you see no massive bias at work?

When the national press corp self-reports voting for the two-percenter Green Party in higher numbers than for the Republican Party even in elections that the GOP wins, you see this as evidence of non-bias?

What a joke. Fox News is admittedly slanted to the right; every other news agency is slanted as much so or more to the left. At least Fox will have actual lefties on to present their side instead of merely appointing a RINO or two to come on and profess disbelief at "his" party's behavior. ABC/CNN/CBS/NBC/PBS merely alternate between the "sane" wing of the Democrat Party and the bizarro world Soros/"Move On" wing of the same.

 

[khon]

The thing with Fox is not so much their bias, that's nothing really new. MSNBC certainly has a liberal bias in their coverage, and follow it up with a liberal opinion.

What Roger Ailes figured out with Fox, is that you can do more than just report on the news, you can actually create it.

What they'll do is pick a subject that they think works in their favor, then they'l repeat it over and over and over again, until it becomes news and everyone else has to talk about it too. It's quite brilliant really.
They've even managed to help create and promote an entire political movement (the tea parties).

The simple truth is that they do propaganda far better than anyone else in the country.

 

[Vette73]

I've backed it up plenty, you just want to be spoon fed, which I'm not going to do. If you'd like to learn something go ahead and knock yourself out.

Saying to google it is not backing it up. It just shows you are a coward that was called out on his BS.

So I guess you don't have any proof that "everyone throughout" cnn, msnbc, abc, bbc, etc... is a "unashamed Obama supporter"?

 

[Bowfinger]

I get tired of systematically deconstructing the same nutter propaganda again and again, only to have the same people pop up a few months later spouting the same disinformation. Therefore, I'm just going to cut and paste. From an earlier thread, regarding a Pew Research study of media bias (note that "study" is what informed people do to collect data while many of you parrot cherry-picked anecdotes as if they're meaningful). Anyway:

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Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Patranus
And recent studies such as the one done by the Pew Institute have shown that Fox News is the *least* bias news network.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

You must have failed to read what I wrote. I never said the study found NO bias, the study found that it was the LEAST bias.

Here is a link to one of the studies regarding election coverage
http://www.journalism.org/node/13436#fn1

I will see if I can dig up the link to some of the other studies I am thinking of.

Just curious, did you read your link? It does NOT support your assertion that "Fox News is the *least* bias news network." On the contrary, it found Fox and MSNBC to be mirror images of each other in bias, while the other television MSM were LESS biased:

In cable, the evidence firmly suggests there now really is an ideological divide between two of the three channels, at least in their coverage of the campaign.

Things look much better for Barack Obama?and much worse for John McCain?on MSNBC than in most other news outlets. On the Fox News Channel, the coverage of the presidential candidates is something of a mirror image of that seen on MSNBC.

The tone of CNN?s coverage, meanwhile, lay somewhere in the middle of the cable spectrum, and was generally more negative than the press overall.

On the evening newscasts of the three traditional networks, in contrast, there is no such ideological split. Indeed, on the nightly newscasts of ABC, CBS and NBC, coverage tends to be more neutral and generally less negative than elsewhere. On the network morning shows, Sarah Palin is a bigger story than she is in the media generally.

And on NBC News programs, there was no reflection of the tendency of its cable sibling MSNBC toward more favorable coverage of Democrats and more negative of Republicans than the norm.]

Just to finish making your head explode, be sure to note their findings about CNN. As much as you guys love to wail about CNN being the Communist News Network, this study -- the one you linked, remember -- found CNN's coverage was "somewhere in the middle" for cable networks, though more negative overall -- to both parties -- than other news sources. That's why you guys see CNN as so biased. When they run negative stories about the left, you accept them at face value and think, "it's about time." When they run negative stories about the right, you start crying about bias.

 

[PokerGuy]

Saying to google it is not backing it up. It just shows you are a coward that was called out on his BS.

So I guess you don't have any proof that "everyone throughout" cnn, msnbc, abc, bbc, etc... is a "unashamed Obama supporter"?

I've even provided specific search terms. Others have also provided links to good information. Just because you are too blind/ignorant to either read or comprehend that information is not my problem, it's yours. My statements stand, and they are backed up by a ton of studies / surveys / research.

 

[Vette73]

I've even provided specific search terms. Others have also provided links to good information. Just because you are too blind/ignorant to either read or comprehend that information is not my problem, it's yours. My statements stand, and they are backed up by a ton of studies / surveys / research.

AGAIN put up or shut up.
Saying to google it is not backing it up. It just shows you are a coward that was called out on his BS.

So I guess you don't have any proof that "everyone throughout" cnn, msnbc, abc, bbc, etc... is a "unashamed Obama supporter"?

 

[Vette73]

The thing with Fox is not so much their bias, that's nothing really new. MSNBC certainly has a liberal bias in their coverage, and follow it up with a liberal opinion.

What Roger Ailes figured out with Fox, is that you can do more than just report on the news, you can actually create it.

What they'll do is pick a subject that they think works in their favor, then they'l repeat it over and over and over again, until it becomes news and everyone else has to talk about it too. It's quite brilliant really.
They've even managed to help create and promote an entire political movement (the tea parties).

The simple truth is that they do propaganda far better than anyone else in the country.

I agree with that. Fox is good as getting people to believe what they say. How many fox viewers still think Iraq attacked the US :awe:

 

[PokerGuy]

AGAIN put up or shut up.
Saying to google it is not backing it up. It just shows you are a coward that was called out on his BS.

So I guess you don't have any proof that "everyone throughout" cnn, msnbc, abc, bbc, etc... is a "unashamed Obama supporter"?

We can play this game forever. I'm not going to spoon feed you. You can help remove your own ignorance. You haven't called anyone out on anything other than "hey, I'm too stupid to follow directions and read the information, I need someone to post it here!". Sorry, you're on your own there.

 

[Bowfinger]

I've even provided specific search terms. Others have also provided links to good information. Just because you are too blind/ignorant to either read or comprehend that information is not my problem, it's yours. My statements stand, and they are backed up by a ton of studies / surveys / research.

Bullshit. You keep making the claim. You have yet to provide one single bit of factual evidence to prove it. You just keep repeating the same self-serving nonsense about the "ton of studies" supporting you. If they are truly so common, you should have no problem whatsoever producing some ... yet you just keep sputtering the same unsupported claims. Why is that, I wonder?

(By the way, I just linked a study suggesting the opposite of what you claim. How about you man up and produce a comparable study supporting your claims?)

If you want to live in a nutter fantasy land that's your business, of course. Just don't be surprised when more rational people decline to join you in your dystopia.

 

[thegimp03]

Neither of those if the problem with Beck, and Olbermann is far better.

It says a lot that you don't even know what the flaws with Beck are.

'Those freedom riders are loud and obnoxious coming here to prove a point. They're no better than the KKK they complain about.'

It's like saying Saddam's spokesman and a journalist saying the spokesman is not telling the truth are no different, both out stating their views loudly.

It's funny watching you and the rest of the libtard team get your panties in a bunch re: Glenn Beck and Fox News and then say "Olbie boy is far better". Bahahah.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I've even provided specific search terms. Others have also provided links to good information. Just because you are too blind/ignorant to either read or comprehend that information is not my problem, it's yours. My statements stand, and they are backed up by a ton of studies / surveys / research.

You said:

Oh please. When everyone throughout an organization is an admitted and unashamed Obama supporter, you think that organization is somehow going to be impartial? Fox is the only decent news outlet, the rest is generally liberal garbage.

then provided links that claim a plurality of reporters have a liberal bias. A plurality or even a majority are not "everyone throughout an organization" and will not be no matter how many links or how many google terms you provide.

 

[Pens1566]

I love when Bowfinger shows up, provides damning facts, and then gets conveniently ignored by the idiots he just shut down.

 

[werepossum]

The thing with Fox is not so much their bias, that's nothing really new. MSNBC certainly has a liberal bias in their coverage, and follow it up with a liberal opinion.

What Roger Ailes figured out with Fox, is that you can do more than just report on the news, you can actually create it.

What they'll do is pick a subject that they think works in their favor, then they'l repeat it over and over and over again, until it becomes news and everyone else has to talk about it too. It's quite brilliant really.
They've even managed to help create and promote an entire political movement (the tea parties).

The simple truth is that they do propaganda far better than anyone else in the country.

No one else HAS to talk about anything Fox News does. What happens is that viewers of ABC/CNN/CBS/MSNBC/NBC et al find out from a Fox News viewer or from the Internet that a particular event happened or a particular person said a particular thing. Embarrassed that their favorite news outlet has ignored this story they then become a Fox News viewer or take up Internet news sources in hopes of avoiding further embarrassment in the future. The alphabets have discovered that what worked well for themselves and their causes when they were the only game in town - namely ignoring news items that do not advance the agenda and/or support the cause - no longer works in the days of the Internet and Fox News. If you selectively filter the news for "all the news that fits", then you will lose most of your viewers, period. While that works fine for the ideologues that run most news outlets, that doesn't work well for those expected to foot the bills for this one-sided approach, so the leftwing faithful have to make a choice - cover ALL the news or lose that cushy job pretending to cover all the news.

Rupert Murdoch is a shrewd guy. Although personally pretty liberal, he realized that the vast majority of people were complaining about, and disgusted with, the extreme left slant of all available news agencies. He therefore started Sky News to serve all those people feeling unserved by the establishment media. Later he started Fox News for the same reason, with the same success.

 

[Vette73]

I love when Bowfinger shows up, provides damning facts, and then gets conveniently ignored by the idiots he just shut down.

Yea I was about to point out PokerGuy's BS again but Bowfinger did it even better. :thumbsup:

 

[xj0hnx]

How many of you loony leftist actually watch Fox news? Or do you just wait for some other dufus to post a clip on Youtube?

 

[Vette73]

How many of you loony leftist actually watch Fox news? Or do you just wait for some other dufus to post a clip on Youtube?

Has something been said or posted that is not true about fox?

Or are you just trying to spin some?