Can We (Still?) Trust Major Gaming Review Sites?

flexy

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Example: Dragon Age Inquisition

Gaming review sites give this anything from 8-10, while users (metacritic etc.) have nothing good to say about the game.

There is an extremely wide gap between what players think about a game and ratings on the established sites...
 

StrangerGuy

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In general negative reviews tend to be much more on the mark than wildly positive ones, so no.
 

QuantumPion

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while users (metacritic etc.) have nothing good to say about the game.

...wat? Metacritc does not equal users. Metacritic is the voice of a small group of trolls which like to bomb polls for games for retarded reasons.

As far as I am aware the game is highly regarded by just about all users as being the best thing since Skyrim.
 

Udgnim

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Example: Dragon Age Inquisition

Gaming review sites give this anything from 8-10, while users (metacritic etc.) have nothing good to say about the game.

There is an extremely wide gap between what players think about a game and ratings on the established sites...

gaming review sites taken as a whole are far superior than user metacritic reviews

go into any DA:I forum thread and people will be open about giving the pros & cons of the game
 

KeithTalent

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I never really did. I've always really just looked around places like this forum to see what people thought of a game and would go from there. Not to say I did not read the reviews of certain sites, because if they are written well and show gameplay and whatnot, they can be enjoyable to read/watch, but I've never really taken everything they've said at face value.

KT

Edit: I should say though, you can't even always even trust other players because you just never know what you are going to enjoy once you start playing it. I bought Dragon Age 2 on the weekend for example, which most players seemed to despise and I am loving it so far.

Aside from a few changes, it feels just like a continuation of Dragon Age: Origins, which is exactly what I was looking for.
 
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Maximilian

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Haven't trusted them for years

Amazon reviews, forum opinions, metacritic user reviews, friend recommendations, trying it myself. Thats what I go on.

Professional reviews have been a load of trash for a long long time. I would say they're obsolete tbh. Why do we need a "professional" paid reviewers opinion when plenty of people whos passion is gaming are willing to give their unbiased opinion for free.
 

shortylickens

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I dont.

Steam reviews are better. If the game aint on steam, I have to do LOTS of research.
 

motsm

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Of course not, but trusting user reviews is often just as bad. They are almost entirely either 10s or 0s, with no details outside of blind fan boy rantings, or hyperbolic trolling hate. I'd say you can find about an equal ratio within both source types that actually gives you any information worthwhile.
 

Morbus

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I don't think major gaming sites have been trustworthy for ten years or more. It's all a sham, if I'm honest, and having worked myself in the industry, I have a bit more insight into how it works.

It's not NECESSARILY that the reviewers are bought or anything, it's more of the corporate mentality within big gaming sites (and many amateurs too), the lack of journalistic experience/expertise and the whole gaming aspect of it, it just makes for complete turds flying left and right out of their mouths.

SOME gaming journalists are good though, but they very very rarely go beyond the whole "ok, here's my own personal opinion on this game so take it as that". Most game reviewers are too drunk/dumb/restricted to have a personal opinion on anything, so they just go with the corporate opinion of whatever place they work in.

There have been plenty of scandals pertaining to this over the years. But the problem isn't restricted to gaming. Movie reviews are the same exact thing, although maybe a bit less chaotic and offensive to my intelligence.

Again, it's not that they are bad people without scrupulous or morals, it's just the nature of the game (ahem) and the way things work. Most of us (us who don't trust major gaming sites) would end up doing and writing much of the same crap they do, were we to be in their position. It takes guts, originality, thought, love and luck to be a proper gaming journalist doing proper gaming journalism.

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And I'm not even touching on the problem of how mainstream gamers take reviews, and how their opinions are influenced by reviews.

That's a very simple issue though: take Company of Heroes, for example.

For most people to buy that game based on a review, it'd have to read something like "This game is good because the story is inspiring and the graphics are great". Well, that says pretty much nothing about why anyone would want to play that game. What would say, however, would be something like "this game is bad because it's too focused on combat micro-strategy and tactics, and less on building a base and the traditional elements of a strategy game".

I'm not sure I'm being clear... Essentially, for me, and I do believe for most educated gamers, it's more important to know what someone didn't like about a game than what they did like. Someone tells me not to play Europa Universalis because it's too slow and too complex to get into? I'm gonna play it! I have played it to death, actually. Someone tells me not to play Call of Duty Somethin's because it's the same as all the others and the plot is even worse? I'm not gonna play it!

Now if someone tells me Europa Universalis is awesome because there's endless possibilities on how you build your nation, I might be interested, sure, but the same could be said about Rome Total War 2 (even though it would be less true). Someone tells me Call of Duty is awesome because it's epic and the plot is engaging, sure, I like those traits, but the same can be said about many other games.
 
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StrangerGuy

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I don't think major gaming sites have been trustworthy for ten years or more. It's all a sham, if I'm honest, and having worked myself in the industry, I have a bit more insight into how it works.

It's not NECESSARILY that the reviewers are bought or anything, it's more of the corporate mentality within big gaming sites (and many amateurs too), the lack of journalistic experience/expertise and the whole gaming aspect of it, it just makes for complete turds flying left and right out of their mouths.

SOME gaming journalists are good though, but they very very rarely go beyond the whole "ok, here's my own personal opinion on this game so take it as that". Most game reviewers are too drunk/dumb/restricted to have a personal opinion on anything, so they just go with the corporate opinion of whatever place they work in.

There have been plenty of scandals pertaining to this over the years. But the problem isn't restricted to gaming. Movie reviews are the same exact thing, although maybe a bit less chaotic and offensive to my intelligence.

Again, it's not that they are bad people without scrupulous or morals, it's just the nature of the game (ahem) and the way things work. Most of us (us who don't trust major gaming sites) would end up doing and writing much of the same crap they do, were we to be in their position. It takes guts, originality, thought, love and luck to be a proper gaming journalist doing proper gaming journalism.

IMO it's like summed up in three words: "Conflict of interest".
 

Red Hawk

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You have to take it on a case by case basis. Find a critic whose taste and opinions on games tend to line up with yours, don't just blindly trust the Metacritic average. Just because some critics in the game industry are shady with their reviews of AAA games, doesn't mean all are.

And lolno, Metacritic user scores (and Steam scores) are no better. Professional critics approach games with at least some objective perspective. Like QuantomPion said, user scores tend to be bombed by trolls who blow problems with games out of proportion, dragging the averages of decent games down with 1s and 0s. User scores would be much better served with a simple thumbs up/thumbs down system.

And for the record, Dragon Age Inquisition is a great game. It has some flaws, particularly with the UI on PC, but that doesn't at all justify all the 1s and 0s given to it on the Metacritic user score.
 
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ControlD

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I use the big review sites to give me a big picture overview of a game.

I use forums like this to give me an idea of how the game actually plays and whether or not it is worth the purchase.

If the two together leave a favorable impression then I buy the game. If not I pass.
 

BSim500

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Example: Dragon Age Inquisition

Gaming review sites give this anything from 8-10, while users (metacritic etc.) have nothing good to say about the game.

There is an extremely wide gap between what players think about a game and ratings on the established sites...

I stopped trusting "professional" reviews years ago. The free Nexus 7 "gifts" for Watch Dogs reviewers showed they weren't even trying to hide it anymore...

As for "Metacritic trolls", that cuts both ways with two sets of trolls on Metacritic - those who "review bomb" every AAA game by Ubisoft / EA and those who vote 10/10 whilst complaining of bugs, etc, "because someone else gave it a 2 and that made me cry". Plus the shills with disposable accounts who rate one game 10/10 with identically worded reviews to another then disappear. Plus those who give 10/10 for every platform of a game (PC + PS3 + PS4 + XB360 + XB1, ie, 5x reviews per game). The two probably counter-balance each other, leaving a fair score.

As for DAI's "review bomb", it is way over-hyped and it got "review bombed" for the same reason many other "let's change direction mid-franchise and make a traditional PC-lead game more consolized then call the existing fan-base who disagree 'haters' whilst driving hype levels through the roof". If they had made DAI a new game in its own right and didn't out-rightly lie about a "tactical camera just like DAO" (which it isn't remotely so), and gave it a lot less hype, it would probably have scored higher. See Baldur's Gate, Divinity Original Sin, Neverwinter Nights, etc, and ask why they aren't review bombed.

See also what Dishonored did right vs everything Thief 4 managed to get wrong (whilst attempting to be both a rip-off of Dishonored and attempting to appeal to both the hardcore existing Thief fan-base and the "casuals"). Had Dishonored been marketed as "Thief 4", that would have gotten much lower scores too from the Thief fan-base for not being like Thief. Moral of the story : You can't have everything - you can't want all the pluses of "free advertising" from riding off of an existing franchise whilst trying to reinvent the franchise then also want the existing fan-base to shut up and disappear when it comes to regression of controls / interface for the sake of the "casual audience". The reason the big devs suffer more from this is because they are far more obsessed with franchising everything to death.

Some people like to downplay the importance of negative reviews, but the last time I looked, most of the early negative reviews of DAI went into multiple paragraphs of detail of half-broken tactical camera, iffy mouse controls, consolized HUD, etc, whilst most 10/10 scores consisted of nothing more than a single pretentious paragraph of "I'm giving it a 10 because someone else gave it a 0. Don't listen to anyone but me."

Edit: There have also been plenty of games which have ended up the reverse - a lower "official" score and a higher "user" score. Some IGN reviews are comically childish & sneering when it involves a reviewer reviewing a genre he obviously doesn't like. Many of the higher quality / unique / creative Indie's also seem to fall foul of not being able to "buy" good review scores and may end up with a score of 70% "professional" but nearer 85-90% user, which speaks volumes as to "professional" reviewers knowing where to get their bread buttered...
 

Sulaco

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Metacritic is largely garbage.

Forums are by far the best. You can gain an appreciation for people's personalities and trustworthiness if they've been there awhile, and you're FORCED to actually read the content of their review, rather than just consciously or subconsciously focusing on the meaningless numerical "score"

I think it's best to take it as an aggregate; read the pro reviews, read the forum impressions, maybe watch a Let's Play or well-known Youtube reviewer, and go from them.
 

Jodell88

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This is what I've gotten from players of DA:I. Main story is good, side quests are lacklustre, it's better than the second but not as good as the first.

Oh, and I never trust review sites.
 

TeknoBug

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I don't trust major gaming site reviews anymore, especially with the very recent embargo that's been going on with a lot of games and what Ubisoft pulled with The Crew* (saying there was no embargo yet no reviewers received review copy and was held off a week until writing one).

User reviews usually a week or so after release of a game is best to go with, however if you pre-order a game you usually have 5-7 days before you can go pick it up, hence why game companies often holds review embargos on their new game releases now to keep pre-order customers from waiting it out.

* About The Crew, there's something really odd I found about it, I personally give The Crew a 6 and majority of major reviewers (PCGamer, Eurogamer, Gamespot, IGN, etc) gives it a 5-6 but on Steam it's getting a 9 out of 10.

PS- speaking of Youtube reviewers, don't listen to LevelCap, he's one of those paid guys.
 
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ControlD

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Metacritic is largely garbage.

Forums are by far the best. You can gain an appreciation for people's personalities and trustworthiness if they've been there awhile, and you're FORCED to actually read the content of their review, rather than just consciously or subconsciously focusing on the meaningless numerical "score"

I think it's best to take it as an aggregate; read the pro reviews, read the forum impressions, maybe watch a Let's Play or well-known Youtube reviewer, and go from them.

Yeah, the Let's Play or WTF is xxx are great resources to determine if a game looks worth buying or not.
 

cbrunny

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Not a fan of user reviews personally because they tend to be biased either majorly in favour of the game, or against it. If they were neutral/of no significant opinion/middle of the road, they wouldn't write it in the first place.

As for major reviewers, I tend to watch a few different video reviews. My initial go-to's are IGN & Gamespot, but for substance of review rather than overall score.

Overall score is a useless metric.

Different reviewers at the same studio weigh different components of each game differently. And how they weigh is likely different than how I weigh.

I look at review scores to get a high-level sense of if the game sucks balls. If it does not suck balls, I look more in depth to see if it will suit me.

So, I guess to respond directly to the original question.... no. But you never should have in the first place.
 

Mem

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Example: Dragon Age Inquisition

Gaming review sites give this anything from 8-10, while users (metacritic etc.) have nothing good to say about the game.

There is an extremely wide gap between what players think about a game and ratings on the established sites...


Only one review that counts and that's your own,personally I never go by online review sites because always something I don't agree with,especially when I've the game in question.

As to DA:I its a decent game,a few bugs and some have been fixed by patches,more patches on the way however.

Stability in my case has been ok,only had two CTD so far in seven days worth of playing,exploring part is similar to Skyrim.

Games are always pot luck even if you get a demo,only YOU can really judge a game and that's by playing it.
 
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tential

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I stopped trusting "professional" reviews years ago. The free Nexus 7 "gifts" for Watch Dogs reviewers showed they weren't even trying to hide it anymore...

As for "Metacritic trolls", that cuts both ways with two sets of trolls on Metacritic - those who "review bomb" every AAA game by Ubisoft / EA and those who vote 10/10 whilst complaining of bugs, etc, "because someone else gave it a 2 and that made me cry". Plus the shills with disposable accounts who rate one game 10/10 with identically worded reviews to another then disappear. Plus those who give 10/10 for every platform of a game (PC + PS3 + PS4 + XB360 + XB1, ie, 5x reviews per game). The two probably counter-balance each other, leaving a fair score.

As for DAI's "review bomb", it is way over-hyped and it got "review bombed" for the same reason many other "let's change direction mid-franchise and make a traditional PC-lead game more consolized then call the existing fan-base who disagree 'haters' whilst driving hype levels through the roof". If they had made DAI a new game in its own right and didn't out-rightly lie about a "tactical camera just like DAO" (which it isn't remotely so), and gave it a lot less hype, it would probably have scored higher. See Baldur's Gate, Divinity Original Sin, Neverwinter Nights, etc, and ask why they aren't review bombed.

See also what Dishonored did right vs everything Thief 4 managed to get wrong (whilst attempting to be both a rip-off of Dishonored and attempting to appeal to both the hardcore existing Thief fan-base and the "casuals"). Had Dishonored been marketed as "Thief 4", that would have gotten much lower scores too from the Thief fan-base for not being like Thief. Moral of the story : You can't have everything - you can't want all the pluses of "free advertising" from riding off of an existing franchise whilst trying to reinvent the franchise then also want the existing fan-base to shut up and disappear when it comes to regression of controls / interface for the sake of the "casual audience". The reason the big devs suffer more from this is because they are far more obsessed with franchising everything to death.

Some people like to downplay the importance of negative reviews, but the last time I looked, most of the early negative reviews of DAI went into multiple paragraphs of detail of half-broken tactical camera, iffy mouse controls, consolized HUD, etc, whilst most 10/10 scores consisted of nothing more than a single pretentious paragraph of "I'm giving it a 10 because someone else gave it a 0. Don't listen to anyone but me."

Edit: There have also been plenty of games which have ended up the reverse - a lower "official" score and a higher "user" score. Some IGN reviews are comically childish & sneering when it involves a reviewer reviewing a genre he obviously doesn't like. Many of the higher quality / unique / creative Indie's also seem to fall foul of not being able to "buy" good review scores and may end up with a score of 70% "professional" but nearer 85-90% user, which speaks volumes as to "professional" reviewers knowing where to get their bread buttered...

Very very true. To paraphrase this post for those too lazy to read.

Companies are using big franchise titles, plots, and themes while creating a different more consolized game and expecting the entrenched fan base to simply roll over and say "great game!"

So big name titles that have alienated their original,and large fanbase of course will have a larger mix of those who hate it and those who love the new changes (that most likely make the game easier and more appealing to a wider fanbase).
 

CPA

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I dont.

Steam reviews are better. If the game aint on steam, I have to do LOTS of research.

I've taken a three-step approach to researching a game. First, I go to Steam Reviews, and look at both positive and negative reviews. I try to assess if there is a pattern to either. For instance, are the negative reviews because the game won't run for AMD or NVidia cards or something specific that may or may not impact me.

From there, I check out the game's steam forums and see what the prevailing posts are about. Do the posts match the reviews? Are the developers listening and replying?

Lastly, I'll check the Steam game updates to see if/when the developers addressed gamer concerns or, in general, updated the game (this is generally dependent on the game age, of course).

This is generally enough to persuade me one way or the other when deciding to purchase the game.

I've stopped using Metacritic and haven't used gaming sites in a long time.
 

SMOGZINN

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I've taken a three-step approach to researching a game.

Honestly, the first place I look is here. Do we have a thread on the game? If so what are people saying about it? After that I go and see if there is a WTF Is... video on the game. If after that I'm still interested I might look and see what the Steam forums are saying.
 

bystander36

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I generally read the reviews given. If it is a high profile game, you can expect the score might not line up with what is said. Even if they give a game a padded score, they usually explain the problems in the actual review.
 

Revolution 11

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There is no one place that will give you a complete review on anything. You need to look at a variety of sources, including but not limited to professional review sites. I usually check a big site like Giant Bomb, a game blog like Rock Paper Shotgun, critics like Angry Joe or Spoony, forum reviews, both the positive and negative Steam reviews, and the best negative review on Amazon.

The last source is a underappreciated one I think. The most helpful negative Amazon reviews do a good job of listing what was wrong with a game, which I think is more important to enjoying a game than looking at what is good with it. Having a bunch of mediocre features and a few great ones with no flaws can be more enjoyable than a game with many great features and a few horrible ones.