Can we list some good things about conservatives:

[spacejamz]

wow another liberal circle jerk....must be a slow news day....

 

[Spungo]

Conservatives don't lump the whole party together based on the opinions of a few extremists.

Few?
58% of republicans are creationists
only 31% of republicans agree with the overwhelming consensus that global warming is happening
63% of republicans still think Iraq had WMDs
30% of republicans think Obama is muslim and that's AFTER they tried to associate him with a radical left wing Christian.

It's one conspiracy after another. NASA's satellites showing consistent decline of ice volume over the past 3 decades? That's a conspiracy. Almost all science saying that the well-understood greenhouse effect of rapidly increasing CO2 levels causes a greenhouse effect? That's a conspiracy. Obama being born in Hawaii? Conspiracy. The democrats actually managed to travel back in time just to mention his fake birth in the newspaper on that day. All known physics, chemistry, and biology saying the earth is billions of years old? Conspiracy. Dinosaur bones? Conspiracy. It's all a conspiracy.

 

[nehalem256]

LOL, it's conservatives who support having bastard children (see your stance on abstinence education/abortion) and what are you going to do, hold 2 adults together in matrimony at gunpoint to prevent divorce?

You conservatives are fucking retarded.

Edit: Evolution is 'quaint' too eh?

Liberal morality infected the culture, which results in everyone having bastard children and divorcing. Conservatives still pretend to oppose them though instead of openly "celebrating" them.

Oh and by the way does that mean if one liberal commits murder that all liberals support murder? No. I didnt think so.

YourEdit: Yes, not supporting evolution is also a quaint idea. How does what age someone thinks the Earth is, or whether they think humans descended from apes affect society?

But endorsing no-fault divorce and having bastard children. Yeah somehow I think that actually affects society a little bit.

 

[nehalem256]

Few?
58% of republicans are creationists
only 31% of republicans agree with the overwhelming consensus that global warming is happening
63% of republicans still think Iraq had WMDs
30% of republicans think Obama is muslim and that's AFTER they tried to associate him with a radical left wing Christian.

It's one conspiracy after another. NASA's satellites showing consistent decline of ice volume over the past 3 decades? That's a conspiracy. Almost all science saying that the well-understood greenhouse effect of rapidly increasing CO2 levels causes a greenhouse effect? That's a conspiracy. Obama being born in Hawaii? Conspiracy. The democrats actually managed to travel back in time just to mention his fake birth in the newspaper on that day. All known physics, chemistry, and biology saying the earth is billions of years old? Conspiracy. Dinosaur bones? Conspiracy. It's all a conspiracy.

Hey the Democrats believe in a conspiracy between all corporations in the country to decrease profits by paying men 33% more than women...

And the Senate Majority leader thinks that Romney has been bamboozling the IRS for years...

And Dinosaur bones are not a conspiracy. Humans used to keep them as pets . Didnt you go to school in Louisiana?

 

[Matt1970]

Few?
58% of republicans are creationists
only 31% of republicans agree with the overwhelming consensus that global warming is happening
63% of republicans still think Iraq had WMDs
30% of republicans think Obama is muslim and that's AFTER they tried to associate him with a radical left wing Christian.

It's one conspiracy after another. NASA's satellites showing consistent decline of ice volume over the past 3 decades? That's a conspiracy. Almost all science saying that the well-understood greenhouse effect of rapidly increasing CO2 levels causes a greenhouse effect? That's a conspiracy. Obama being born in Hawaii? Conspiracy. The democrats actually managed to travel back in time just to mention his fake birth in the newspaper on that day. All known physics, chemistry, and biology saying the earth is billions of years old? Conspiracy. Dinosaur bones? Conspiracy. It's all a conspiracy.

"While 58% of Republicans believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, 39% of independents and 41% of Democrats agree."

"Though 52 percent of all adults surveyed said that the effects of global warming are beginning to occur, only 40 percent of Republicans agreed, compared with 51 percent of Independents and 65 percent of Democrats."

Not exactly winning your arguement.

 

[soulcougher73]

Liberal morality infected the culture, which results in everyone having bastard children and divorcing. Conservatives still pretend to oppose them though instead of openly "celebrating" them.

But I thought conservatives had unheralded convictions. How could such a thing happen.

 

[Phokus]

Liberal morality infected the culture, which results in everyone having bastard children and divorcing. Conservatives still pretend to oppose them though instead of openly "celebrating" them.

Oh and by the way does that mean if one liberal commits murder that all liberals support murder? No. I didnt think so.

YourEdit: Yes, not supporting evolution is also a quaint idea. How does what age someone thinks the Earth is, or whether they think humans descended from apes affect society?

But endorsing no-fault divorce and having bastard children. Yeah somehow I think that actually affects society a little bit.

I think you mean conservative morality. Or have you conveniently forgotten all those conservative sex scandals, both gay and straight (and not to mention one involving underage congressional page boys) and also the fact that divorce is much higher in red states (whereas, in my homo sodomizing S&M state of TAXACHUSETTS, our divorce rates are some of the lowest in the nation). Maybe if you conservative morons would follow our lead, the breakdown of the family wouldn't be happening. Again, you guys are fucking retarded.

Evolution is quaint? Yeah, it's only fucking SCIENCE. What has SCIENCE ever done for humanity?

 

[Steeplerot]

Baloney. You guys are as much in favor of the status quo as we are when it suits your agenda.

If this tired false equivalency makes it easier to justify yourself, this in itself is a fine example of intellectual laziness.

 

[Steeplerot]

Hey the Democrats believe in a conspiracy between all corporations in the country to decrease profits by paying men 33% more than women...

I have never heard this, more crazy shit from the right wing fantasyland attributed to liberals.

Right wingers...once again making stuff up that is nothing more of a projection of itself.

You can almost time a clock to the dishonesty of the right wing cult mindset, whenever its up to something the first thing they do is blame it on liberals, then they can do whatever they wish against the best interests of the average duped working man.

 

[nehalem256]

I have never heard this, more crazy shit from the right wing fantasyland attributed to liberals.

Right wingers...once again making stuff up that is nothing more of a projection of itself.

You can almost time a clock to the dishonesty of the right wing cult mindset, whenever its up to something the first thing they do is blame it on liberals, then they can do whatever they wish against the best interests of the average duped working man.

You have never heard liberals complain about women making 77 cents on the dollar to men? Really? Have you ever read in Democratic campaign literature?

 

[soulcougher73]

You have never heard liberals complain about women making 77 cents on the dollar to men? Really? Have you ever read in Democratic campaign literature?

So what you are saying is 77cents on the dollar is to much?

Sorry just trying to keep up on the talking points.

 

[thraashman]

You have never heard liberals complain about women making 77 cents on the dollar to men? Really? Have you ever read in Democratic campaign literature?

But that's just simple fact. The causes and reasons for it are something that can be discussed and debated, but factual numbers say it's true and you can't argue that... doesn't mean I think you won't try to argue it.

 

[Steeplerot]

You have never heard liberals complain about women making 77 cents on the dollar to men? Really? Have you ever read in Democratic campaign literature?

This has nothing to do with the problem. This is your rather warped perception of a problem to distract from the issue, kinda like how cons say the reason liberals want all of mankind to have liberty is all a big plot because they hate minorities and use them as slaves.

It is a rather arrogant lie to cover their own agenda which is utterly undefendable to rational people outside of the "cult" mentality.

Conservatism is about PR, because in reality, the ACTUAL message has provided -and offers- NO RESULTS to humanity or the USA except enriching the elites who control said message.

Of course they want to distract you from thinking, it is the reactionaries worst enemy, it always has been since the renaissance.

You can sum up the whole conservative scam message in one quote really from a famous 20th century right winger: "The bigger the lie told in the open the more people will swallow said lie because those with power give it."

It's a authoritarian tribalism cult mindset. A dangerous thing to have governing a country as it must not accept new information (reality) to uphold its narrative to the victims. Unable to adapt properly the whole society stagnates, we see this now in full effect in the USA.

Personally you just hear the same crap from the elites when you guys repeat it.

Yadda yadda, John Birch nonsense...commies out to get us..big gubbermunt sucks because it can never do anything right..we are the moral crusaders of the status quo and so on.

Tired, narrow, no vision, and the results to show it. None. That is the modern john birch cult of conservatism in a nutshell that you all stick up for like you owe the elites something or they will give you some secret information one day if you sell out your best interests, its sad.

 

[Mursilis]

Still thinking....

That's new for you.


How about, when they decide to be charitable (admittedly rare), it's with their own money?

 

[Moonbeam]

There are plenty of threads where you can criticize conservatives to your hearts content. Please use this one if you have something positive to say about conservatives. hehe

Bigotry is the grafting of some made up evil onto the love of goodness. I admire conservatives for this love of goodness. I just wish they knew what it really is and that it was easy for them to see through the inculcated part.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Both sides need to learn to think for themselves instead of approaching democracy like a game of Bingo, hoping to pick the winning team and number with every ballot.

 

[Steeplerot]

Please use this one if you have something positive to say about conservatives. hehe
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I wish there WAS something, it be nice if about 30% of older people in the US glued to their TVs have some sense of self interest or the guts to challenge obvious personal hypocrisy in thinking. But alas, nothing. Just bitter old people who accomplished nothing culturally going out in one big whinefest along with the dying throes of the cold war paranoia.


Sad for the USA. Very sad. Hopefully the boomers who are cool (and there are MANY) will not let the artificial "conservative" john birch cultists tarnish the legacy of the civil rights era and all that was fought for.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's new for you.


How about, when they decide to be charitable (admittedly rare), it's with their own money?

Yes, I agree, I don't think it's that rare.

 

[Mursilis]

Both sides need to learn to think for themselves instead of approaching democracy like a game of Bingo, hoping to pick the winning team and number with every ballot.

You fail to understand the process. Gov't power is just a blunt club to suppress your enemies. Monied interests desire, of course, to back the side currently controlling the club.

 

[Steeplerot]

You fail to understand the process. Gov't power is just a blunt club to suppress your enemies. Monied interests desire, of course, to back the side currently controlling the club.

This is true, but not always been the case, problem with the john birch message is that in reality, we can have a government (at least more) responsive to the needs of the people. Things have not always been so bad. Even in my lifetime.

To say that all government is corrupt by nature is saying humans are inherently destined to failure by our own nature with no control of our destinies. (history shows this is untrue to get to where we are now even)

This makes you a nihilist. The cornerstone philosophy of fascism itself. (which surprise surprise, is exactly what birchers have always been)

 

[woolfe9999]

This thread is about as lame as the two threads parodying it.

 

[Mursilis]

This is true, but not always been the case, problem with the john birch message is that in reality, we can have a government (at least more) responsive to the needs of the people. Things have not always been so bad. Even in my lifetime.

To say that all government is corrupt by nature is saying humans are inherently destined to failure by our own nature with no control of our destinies. (history shows this is untrue to get to where we are now even)

This makes you a nihilist. The cornerstone philosophy of fascism itself. (which surprise surprise, is exactly what birchers have always been)

You're confusing two concepts. If I'm saying human nature is predictable (corrupt or not, that's beside the point), I'm not also saying we don't control our own destinies. If I drop a piece of meat in front of my dog, I'm very sure she'll eat it. That doesn't mean I'm controlling her decision - I'm merely predicting it, based on past observations.

 

[thraashman]

This thread is about as lame as the two threads parodying it.

At least this one attempted to start out with good intent and made some nice comments with only one back handed insult to it. The other two started off with the posters being complete dicks. Not surprising considering who started them.

And since I have real trouble saying anything nice about conservatives, I've at least refrained from insulting them in this thread.

 

[Steeplerot]

You're confusing two concepts. If I'm saying human nature is predictable (corrupt or not, that's beside the point), I'm not also saying we don't control our own destinies. If I drop a piece of meat in front of my dog, I'm very sure she'll eat it. That doesn't mean I'm controlling her decision - I'm merely predicting it, based on past observations.

We are not animals (in that way socially), we have far more traits we adapted socially to dealing with complex issues in a society. This is a very superficial and rather nihilistic view to sum up "human nature". You are not a social scientist/linguist/sociologist. Nor are any of these right wing tools who tell you this negative worldview stuff to break your spirit into submission to their agenda.


Its a defeatist message to divide America. All power structures worldwide do this to keep up their hustle of divide and conquer since we were cavemen. Many fight back, and society progresses.
This is where we have the adaptability to progress. 300 years ago the working man was still a slave, we have a LOT of catching up to do socially with our tech. BUT -this is our best evolutionary talent (next to opposable thumbs)

If you want to sum up why conservatism is a failed theory with no results it simply uses social darwinism as a catch all for the most complex issues of a highly adapted social species.

There is far more to the picture, but like I said, really its about being lazy intellectually and upholding the status quo.

Only people who like this stuff will take time to poke under the hood and see how it works, the rest of the population can be told "it just works like this..accept it" -and most people will for whatever reasons.

This is the base that conservatism draws its ranks from, the least adapted socially. Thus the easiest swayed by rhetoric and superficial thinking. Some call it reactionary, I tend not to believe humans are hard coded for this though, conservatism seems to be a socioeconomic challenge for humanity. Not a rule.

 

[Mursilis]

We are not animals (in that way socially), we have far more traits we adapted socially to dealing with complex issues in a society. This is a very superficial and rather nihilistic view to sum up "human nature". You are not a social scientist/linguist/sociologist. Nor are any of these right wing tools who tell you this negative worldview stuff to break your spirit into submission to their agenda.


Its a defeatist message to divide America. All power structures worldwide do this to keep up their hustle of divide and conquer since we were cavemen. Many fight back, and society progresses.

This is where we have the adaptability to progress. 300 years ago the working man was still a slave, we have a LOT of catching up to do socially with our tech. BUT -this is our best evolutionary talent (next to opposable thumbs)

Funny that you say I'm not a "sociologist" - that's actually what my degree is in. Anyway, yes, you're right that society does advance - things are much better for minorities, women, children, etc., in most of the world as opposed to, say, even 100 years ago. That's absolutely true, and of course a very good thing. Hopefully, such trends will continue. But we're also still killing each other, both individually and via our nation-states, on a fairly regular basis, and it's not like crime is going away. We're still slaves to our passions as much as we ever were, both the good passions (love, benevolence, etc.) and the bad (anger, hatred, greed). I don't see that changing any time soon.