Can we get OLDER XP updates after 4/8?

[DaveR]

We all know MS will stop XP support and updates after April 8th. Does this mean that we can not even go to the Update Site, or does it mean that there will not be anything NEW there?

I guess I wonder if they will not even let you connect after 4/8?

 

[code65536]

Will existing updates still be available via Windows Update after April 8, 2014?
Yes, all existing Windows XP updates and fixes will still be available via Windows Update and WSUS.

Source: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/end-of-support.aspx

 

[nemesismk2]

I am in the UK so Microsoft should give me more windows xp updates when you consider that the UK has paid Millions for Windows XP support using my hard earned taxes.

 

[DaveR]

Source: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/end-of-support.aspx

OK, looks like we can still get already released updates.

From MS.....

Will existing updates still be available via Windows Update after April 8, 2014?

Yes, all existing Windows XP updates and fixes will still be available via Windows Update and WSUS.

 

[Elixer]

I am in the UK so Microsoft should give me more windows xp updates when you consider that the UK has paid Millions for Windows XP support using my hard earned taxes.

And which yahoo wanted to pay millions to keep a dead OS "alive", instead of updating to something else which would have saved $$$?

 

[lamedude]

The NHS decided that having an act in the opening ceremonies was more important.

 

[craiggloyd]

I wonder if those updates for the UK government will be leaked for all to use .
They have a contract with Microsoft for updates until April 7th 2015 I think

 

[RampantAndroid]

MS will continue to honor the agreements for updates, but those by default won't be in the Windows Update catalog.

All existing updates will remain available to XP machines. End of support means no NEW patches for end users.

 

[nemesismk2]

I wonder if those updates for the UK government will be leaked for all to use .
They have a contract with Microsoft for updates until April 7th 2015 I think

I hope so as well because i know quite a few business owners who would love to keep windows xp going because of the large number of users.

 

[Morbus]

I am in the UK so Microsoft should give me more windows xp updates when you consider that the UK has paid Millions for Windows XP support using my hard earned taxes.

Doesn't work like that, lol.

 

[nemesismk2]

Doesn't work like that, lol.

well if you ask me (and some of my online friends) it should work like that because we all use windows xp

if you ask me windows xp is going to be used mostly by hackers to hack into other windows operating system like windows 7 and windows 8. i went to college and it was fun doing denial of service atacks against other students in the IT class.

 

[Morbus]

You went to college? Good on you. I'm happy that you're happy.

 

[RampantAndroid]

well if you ask me (and some of my online friends) it should work like that because we all use windows xp

if you ask me windows xp is going to be used mostly by hackers to hack into other windows operating system like windows 7 and windows 8. i went to college and it was fun doing denial of service atacks against other students in the IT class.

Hackers are going to use an insecure system to do their hacking? Heh.

And no, it shouldn't work like that. You're using an operating system that is ancient. You want patches for it, you should consider paying Microsoft like other companies have...or get with the times and adopt a operating system that, among other things, properly supports SHA2.

 

[nemesismk2]

You went to college? Good on you. I'm happy that you're happy.

i went to college first to get all the basics and then went to university just for the night life and women. i then decided i was having too much fun so decided to get a full time job and a wife.

 

[nemesismk2]

Hackers are going to use an insecure system to do their hacking? Heh.

And no, it shouldn't work like that. You're using an operating system that is ancient. You want patches for it, you should consider paying Microsoft like other companies have...or get with the times and adopt a operating system that, among other things, properly supports SHA2.

if i wanted to feel secure online then i wouldn't be running any type of operating system made by microsoft because i think linux is the way to feel secure. i lived in seattle for a time and i had an amazing time. i saw mount st. helens too, feel sorry for the people who died this year in seattle with heavy rain because i stayed the large forest in the outskirts

 

[Morbus]

The fantastic thing in all this, once again, is how people who have no real knowledge about a subject, feel perfectly entitled to discuss it. THAT's what's really interesting.

I mean, hackers using Windows XP?! What do you even think "hacker" MEANS?!

 

[nemesismk2]

The fantastic thing in all this, once again, is how people who have no real knowledge about a subject, feel perfectly entitled to discuss it. THAT's what's really interesting.

I mean, hackers using Windows XP?! What do you even think "hacker" MEANS?!

I have known people from all types of hackers who go by different hats such as Black hat etc but most hackers are usually maliciousness, denial of service or for personal gain. I think people who are called Elite hacker would be the first to make use of windows xp for personal gain.

 

[Morbus]

I'd be willing to bet those are actually script kiddies, and no really hackers. Denial of service attacks are a 2 minute google search job, it doesn't take coding skills to do.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Anybody know if there is an "update pack" where all updates are in a single setup file? Could be handy to have somewhere safe for when working on other people's computers in case they do indeed stop the updates.

 

[RampantAndroid]

if i wanted to feel secure online then i wouldn't be running any type of operating system made by microsoft because i think linux is the way to feel secure. i lived in seattle for a time and i had an amazing time...

What does your being here have anything to do with MS? Moreover, if you wanted "security" you'd realize that while some versions of Linux are heard to break into, they're specific distros configured to lock *everything* down. Microsoft itself responds to zero day threats incredibly fast and pushes updates down using its update channels. I put far more faith in MS than I do Google or Apple (I mean, OSX falls first at the various hacking competitions...within minutes. Windows falls sometime later and Linux distros fall either exceedingly quickly or not at all.)

Let's face it: the real attack vectors against you or me are not all on our computers. We save our passwords in Chrome or Firefox since we can't remember them. Or with Apple. And heartbleed doesn't even involve your computer...it involves spamming a web service with the heartbeat and a disparity between the size specified and the size sent...Windows - Microsoft don't even factor in (and Microsoft's own SSL implementation and services are not affected!)

Let's face it: XP is WELL behind the times in security. It doesn't even have the NX bit support last I looked. You talk about wanting to be secure and then about how you're using a system lacking a VAST number of improvements that have been around for the last 7 years.

I have known people from all types of hackers who go by different hats such as Black hat etc but most hackers are usually maliciousness, denial of service or for personal gain. I think people who are called Elite hacker would be the first to make use of windows xp for personal gain.

Do you know what denial of service means? How would they make use of XP? They're going to exploit whatever bug they want to. Bugs like credit card readers running WinXP which lacks the memory protections that were implemented in Vista onwards. Or against OpenSSL and its heartbeat which had its memory protections disabled in the compiler for performance reasons (yes, heartbleed MIGHT have been stopped were it not for someone making an INCREDIBLY shortsighted decision to increase throughput.)

Anybody know if there is an "update pack" where all updates are in a single setup file? Could be handy to have somewhere safe for when working on other people's computers in case they do indeed stop the updates.

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/soft...eam-an-xp-disc-with-sp3-and-all-other-updates

 

[code65536]

Let's face it: XP is WELL behind the times in security. It doesn't even have the NX bit support last I looked.

NX bit support was added in XP SP2.

What XP lacks are mitigations such as ASLR or UAC, but that's what they are: mitigations that kick in after the primary lines of defense have fallen. If UAC saves your user from hosing their system, then that means that your user had already downloaded and attempted to run something bad. Or if ASLR causes a remote code execution attempt to crash the program instead of succeed, then that means that there had already been a breach--a buffer overrun, for example--that enabled this attempt at RCE. And as far as that primary line of defense goes, XP is as secure today as any other Windows. What happens after that is where they differ, but I do take issue with the common misconception that XP is somehow decrepit and dangerously insecure: it is not.

But with the cessation of security updates, there will be a gradual erosion of security as new flaws are discovered and left unpatched. But that's more of a end-of-life issue than a something-inherently-wrong-with-the-OS issue.