Can we finally put Trump and the GOP's persistent voter fraud claims to bed please?

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nickqt

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True, billions of votes were cast, but most wins are with very narrow margins in a few counties, so even a very few of them matter. And even if its just one, why would anyone normalize it, why would anyone stand for any fraud at all, right or left. Its a direct attack on democracy.
It isn't normalized.

Did you read the link you posted?

Count the fraudulent votes. Now count how many people were prosecuted for it.

But whatever you do, ignore the election fraud that Republicans routinely get caught up in. That might make your feel uncomfortable, and that's communism.
 

HomerJS

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True, billions of votes were cast, but most wins are with very narrow margins in a few counties, so even a very few of them matter. And even if its just one, why would anyone normalize it, why would anyone stand for any fraud at all, right or left. Its a direct attack on democracy.
If you are so worried about voter fraud why aren't you calling for the arrest of Mark Meadows? I won't do your work there is enough info in this forum concerning his crime.

Almost all GOP positions depend on a big lie. .000001% is widespread voter fraud to the point we need to make it tougher in minority districts to vote.

Banning CRT in public schools is a 0.0% problem yet they continue to spread the big lie.

States need to make it easier to vote. Some states have been doing no excuse mail in voting for >25 years with no significant problems (no election is perfect).
Despite claims of vote fraud when voting is conducted outside of polling places, only 0.00006% of the 250 million votes by mailed ballots nationwide were fraudulent, according to MIT political scientists who analyzed numbers from the Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database
Voting By Mail History: When Mail-In Ballots Started in U.S. | Time
 

hal2kilo

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Damn, I missed this little gem from a few days back.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...nt-evidence-call-elections-rigged-fraudulent/

The thing about this is, it isn't just another story about a republican criticizing or disagreeing with Trump. It's not just that he's saying that all these voter fraud allegations are bullshit; it's that he knows they are. And why.

Well known GOP lawyer Ben Ginsberg who has worked on every federal election in decades with the republicans, except 2016. His role was to gather and analyze evidence of voter fraud, as part of a major effort by the GOP to do so every election cycle. He's literally saying that Republican's own extensive data proves there is no significant voter fraud. Money quote:



Read the whole editorial. If you didn't catch it a few days back, it's worth it.
As much as that man's attitude towards Arabs is disgusting, he's been at the forefront from the beginning, saying that the Pub's are just wrong about any election fraud. Of course he's never been invited on Fox to present his case, so it's almost been a secret..
 

Thump553

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trenchfoot

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The Repub's voter fraud claims is merely a rallying call to arms. Seems to me that most of them know it's nothing but a musubi made entirely of bullshit wrapped in a sheet of FOX branded seaweed, but they have absolutely nothing else to turn to for justification as to why Trump lost and why the Dems did as well as they did in that year's elections. In the Repub's minds they were talked into believing that they're the only true defenders of the nation, so the only (convenient) way they could have lost was to rally around Trump's lie, whether any of them believed it or not.

They got nothing except a pack of convenient lies to cling to as a way of legitimizing their contrived claims that they and they alone knows what's best for America despite the fact that the majority of Americans told them otherwise. So what's their response for losing fair and square? Cheat like hell to force the majority of the nation to its knees in the upcoming elections and then keep the growing majority from winning elections ever again.
 
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Dave_5k

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Resurrecting to point out that Trump conspiracy theorists energized by his Stop the Steal lies continue to fester and spread throughout the country, at every level. And they keep losing in court, although once enough justices are replaced by Q-publicans (see: Cannon, Florida, where evidence is completely optional for Republican plaintiffs), that may start to change in the future.
This is the 5th evidence-free court attempt by Trump true believers - in Kansas alone - to have judges throw out the election results and decertify the election results since Trump lost. And Trump won all 6 electoral votes in Kansas! Although this 5th latest lawsuit more about their hurt feels after losing the abortion ban vote in a landslide, than 2020, but it covered both still trying to decertify 2020.

Edit: Also note there will almost certainly be mass attempts at voter and election official intimidation by these same deluded idiots.
 
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akenbennu

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Resurrecting to point out that Trump conspiracy theorists energized by his Stop the Steal lies continue to fester and spread throughout the country, at every level. And they keep losing in court, although once enough justices are replaced by Q-publicans (see: Cannon, Florida, where evidence is completely optional for Republican plaintiffs), that may start to change in the future.
This is the 5th evidence-free court attempt by Trump true believers - in Kansas alone - to have judges throw out the election results and decertify the election results since Trump lost. And Trump won all 6 electoral votes in Kansas! Although this 5th latest lawsuit more about their hurt feels after losing the abortion ban vote in a landslide, than 2020, but it covered both still trying to decertify 2020.

Edit: Also note there will almost certainly be mass attempts at voter and election official intimidation by these same deluded idiots.

In AZ, there are people setting up video cameras and watching drop boxes.
 
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MtnMan

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The "stolen election" crowd are closely aligned in their reasoning ability with the "flat earthers".

There is not enough evidence to cause either group to change their views for the simple reason they lack the ability to reason.
 
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eelw

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With how much a scaredy-cat he’s been, I really wonder what he’s afraid that will come out in testimony. Like he must realize Georgia AG already knows from Raffensperger what was said in their calls. But does a state charge affect him remaining a senator?
 

woolfe9998

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It's worse than a lack of evidence. The GOP's persistent efforts to find mass voter fraud dating back 40 years and coming up empty handed is positive proof that what they believe is false. It's bad enough to make a claim without evidence to support it. It's quite another to possess evidence that your own claim is false. That is the degree of irrationality we're facing here.