Can we agree that 1965-1989 was the best years ever?

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Zeze

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Those "entrepreneurs" are making garbage penny apps on a garbage app store or youtubing/instagramming themselves. All of this, the world now has "so many entrepreneurs!" is just misleading claims confusing "Self-employment" with entrepreneurs. And even the legit ones, they offer very little serviceable or worthwhile content. Most of them are just self-aggrandizing asshats that wouldn't give two dicks about humanity.

why? because people don't exist. We now have an entire generation of humans, for the first time on this planet, that will effectively progressed through all primary stages of cognitive development, barely having interacted with actual humans, in the ways that humans evolved to interact with each other, thus forming the basis for civil life. I'm not saying we're doomed--it's possibly just a new paradigm--but this is thoroughly
Those "entrepreneurs" are making garbage penny apps on a garbage app store or youtubing/instagramming themselves. All of this, the world now has "so many entrepreneurs!" is just misleading claims confusing "Self-employment" with entrepreneurs. And even the legit ones, they offer very little serviceable or worthwhile content. Most of them are just self-aggrandizing asshats that wouldn't give two dicks about humanity.

why? because people don't exist. We now have an entire generation of humans, for the first time on this planet, that will effectively progressed through all primary stages of cognitive development, barely having interacted with actual humans, in the ways that humans evolved to interact with each other, thus forming the basis for civil life. I'm not saying we're doomed--it's possibly just a new paradigm--but this is thoroughly upending millions of years of behavioral evolution that formed the foundations of human interaction and life. That's definitely "a thing."

Also, there are plenty of abysmal rural northern, midwestern, western, and urban education systems. It's both abysmal and great in the same places, throughout the country. Sure, it isn't as great as it used to be, but we're actually still doing pretty good compared to most other countries. The absolute last thing we need here is the shit-ass structure of the Japanese/Korean/Chinese systems that produce nothing but automatons, completely incapable of creative thought. This is why the Chinese can only copy, never develop. (I only mention this, seemingly un-prompted, because that is the popular comparison to the "failing US education system," and it's a shit comparison. We definitely do education better than those countries, we're just shit at ensuring that everyone has access to it.). For the most part, parents have gotten lazier and often confuse their complete lack of engagement in their children's education with some teacher that isn't doing the 6-7 jobs that are now, preposterously, assigned to them. Oh right, 8: now some asshats want them to be armed bodyguards.

I like some of your points and I disagree with some, Zinny.

I disagree that kids go through life today barely interacting with others. Perhaps shitty cable news making a bru-haha. Are you familiar with population transition model?

Back then families had 3 4 5 8 kids. And due to high infant mortality it evened out to 2.x~ surviving adults.

Today, thanks to advancements we pop out less kids but also retain them more.

Not sure how old you are but active parenting is ALL THE RAGE now with new parents today. Kids socialize all day long. We read endless books and methods + internet. This also goes true for my upper middle class and lower class.

Parents do playdates and constant crap day after day. I see it with my friends, peers, and class mates. How does that stack up to baby boomers where dad just came home and barely batted an eye to their 4 kids.

Shitty parents always existed. I challenge you to revisit your notion and impressions and get out of that old timer hating younger folks trope.(I'm not even a millennial, I'm gen x)

Also I too dislike Korea education system for it's long grueling hours. But they do end up with disciplained knowledge. Man, US... somewhere like AZ or OK...education is just awful- mistreating teachers and kids have no school to go to.
 
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sdifox

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I like some of your points and I disagree with some, Zinny.

I disagree that kids go through life today barely interacting with others. Perhaps shitty cable news making a bru-haha. Are you familiar with population transition model?

Back then families had 3 4 5 8 kids. And due to high infant mortality it evened out to 2.x~ surviving adults.

Today, thanks to advancements we pop out less kids but also retain them more.

Not sure how old you are but active parenting is ALL THE RAGE now with new parents today. Kids socialize all day long. We read endless books and methods + internet. This also goes true for my upper middle class and lower class.

Parents do playdates and constant crap day after day. I see it with my friends, peers, and class mates. How does that stack up to baby boomers where dad just came home and barely batted an eye to their 4 kids.

Shitty parents always existed. I challenge you to revisit your notion and impressions and get out of that old timer hating younger folks trope.(I'm not even a millennial, I'm gen x)

Also I too dislike Korea education system for it's long grueling hours. But they do end up with disciplained knowledge. Man, US... somewhere like AZ or OK...education is just awful- mistreating teachers and kids have no school to go to.


Yeah I don't miss the days the teachers break rattan on our hands and butts.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I like some of your points and I disagree with some, Zinny.

I disagree that kids go through life today barely interacting with others. Perhaps shitty cable news making a bru-haha. Are you familiar with population transition model?

Back then families had 3 4 5 8 kids. And due to high infant mortality it evened out to 2.x~ surviving adults.

Today, thanks to advancements we pop out less kids but also retain them more.

Not sure how old you are but active parenting is ALL THE RAGE now with new parents today. Kids socialize all day long. We read endless books and methods + internet. This also goes true for my upper middle class and lower class.

Parents do playdates and constant crap day after day. I see it with my friends, peers, and class mates. How does that stack up to baby boomers where dad just came home and barely batted an eye to their 4 kids.

Shitty parents always existed. I challenge you to revisit your notion and impressions and get out of that old timer hating younger folks trope.(I'm not even a millennial, I'm gen x)

Also I too dislike Korea education system for it's long grueling hours. But they do end up with disciplained knowledge. Man, US... somewhere like AZ or OK...education is just awful- mistreating teachers and kids have no school to go to.

playdates have been a thing for a long time now. Get back to me when Johnny Precious goes from 8-16 and tell me how scheduling "playdates" at those ages was still a thing. Also, scratch out "internet" from your "socialization" schedule and reconsider what that means. That's the heart of my point. Interacting online is not human social interaction. Hell, look at how miserable it's made all of us! :D

Humans communicate in many ways, and those earliest years of learning how to interact with actual humans are extremely important. This doesn't really happen online. Now, they can't even talk on the phone. It's hard to hold a conversation at ages where, a generation ago, you couldn't get them off the phone. I know this is what playdates are for, but that model fades away early on. It's also regimented and scheduled. I remember disappearing somewhere in the neighborhood for an entire day, every day, throughout the summers with my hoodlum friends...and that was the 80s when crime and kidnapping was all the rage! But it never really was and, honestly, it's only gotten better. Problem is now we are the parents, and grew up assuming, I guess, that it's only gotten worse. BUT, like you said, it hasn't crime has dropped precipitously. But we're more terrified than ever before. It makes no sense. Check out that article I posted earlier, it's inline with what you said earlier.
 

glenn1

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OP overlooks all the bad parts about that time range; Jimmy Carter, casual racism and homophobia, disco, 8-track tapes, stupid clothing trends, avocado green and harvest gold appliances everywhere....
 

BarkingGhostar

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I only see old farts complain about smartphones.

No the world isn't getting gonna end. We live in the most prosperous and safest time in the WORLD. This is a hard fact backed by tons of statistics. Less war, death, genocide than ever before.

People interact and socialize just fine. Dont be so...typically old.
Less job security. Less medical benefits. Less confidence in those to do their job correctly. Gotcha.
 

FerrelGeek

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Jan 22, 2009
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The modern generation eats Tide pods and snorts condoms. My 4 kids are in the current generation and they think their generation is thoroughly f*cked in the head. The modern generation freaks out whenever somebody says something that they disagree with or makes them even a tad bit uncomfortable. and demands that the person that made them wet their panties be silenced. The modern generation will sell its soul to a government as long as said government promises them free sh*t. As for other things, Zin did a great job, so I won't bother repeating what he articulated so well.

I hate this whole prior generation always thinking we're getting stupider trope. What do you base this on?

We have youngest entrepreneurs than ever before. People are independent (living on own, pursuing career, etc) younger than ever.

Legit stupidity is a failure of our abysmal rural south education system.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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The OP ignores the worst part of that time...Ronnie fucking Rayguns. (and his wife, "Just say NO Nancy")
 

Zeze

Lifer
Mar 4, 2011
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playdates have been a thing for a long time now. Get back to me when Johnny Precious goes from 8-16 and tell me how scheduling "playdates" at those ages was still a thing. Also, scratch out "internet" from your "socialization" schedule and reconsider what that means. That's the heart of my point. Interacting online is not human social interaction. Hell, look at how miserable it's made all of us! :D

Humans communicate in many ways, and those earliest years of learning how to interact with actual humans are extremely important. This doesn't really happen online. Now, they can't even talk on the phone. It's hard to hold a conversation at ages where, a generation ago, you couldn't get them off the phone. I know this is what playdates are for, but that model fades away early on. It's also regimented and scheduled. I remember disappearing somewhere in the neighborhood for an entire day, every day, throughout the summers with my hoodlum friends...and that was the 80s when crime and kidnapping was all the rage! But it never really was and, honestly, it's only gotten better. Problem is now we are the parents, and grew up assuming, I guess, that it's only gotten worse. BUT, like you said, it hasn't crime has dropped precipitously. But we're more terrified than ever before. It makes no sense. Check out that article I posted earlier, it's inline with what you said earlier.

It sounds convincing about kids when they're too old to have 'playdates' and end up spending too much time on internet.

Back then it was the TV, today it's the internet. Unless either of us come up with some hard data or comparison study, it's all just a sentiment.

I AM lucky to have grown up in 80s/90s where I would disappear for the DAY. We always somehow ate at our friends' house, etc. I remember neighborhood kids all gathering to tell spooky stories at summer nights.

We burned so much calorie... all afternoon and evening we played hide and seek, motherlovin' CAPTURE THE FLAG REAL LIFE, play spin tops, etc.

Even for me, those memories feel like a distant past in another world.
 
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ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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It sounds convincing about kids when they're too old to have 'playdates' and end up spending too much time on internet.

Back then it was the TV, today it's the internet. Unless either of us come up with some hard data or comparison study, it's all just a sentiment.

I AM lucky to have grown up in 80s/90s where I would disappear for the DAY. We always somehow ate at our friends' house, etc. I remember neighborhood kids all gathering to tell spooky stories at summer nights.

We burned so much calorie... all afternoon and evening we played hide and seek, motherlovin' CAPTURE THE FLAG REAL LIFE, play spin tops, etc.

Even for me, those memories feel like a distant past in another world.
I remember during summer vacation,
I used to think this was common but I think we were able to do all these things because we grew up in poor neighborhoods.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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Me thinks you just want to get all rapey and stabby since that was mostly before DNA testing was around. Especially when your previous threads/posts are considered.
 

njdevilsfan87

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I used to think this was common but I think we were able to do all these things because we grew up in poor neighborhoods.

I was pretty middle-class suburbia as well, and my childhood largely up until the age of 13-14 largely consisted of being outdoors. Once high school hit, there was just this complete shift. I and a few of my friends got sucked into MMORPGs, and my little brother 5 years younger, turned into an "Xbox kid". It's really dramatic how different one decade was from the next.

As far as the general state of things goes, I prefer now. Living 10 blocks away from the ocean in LA's vacation beach city is hard to beat. Technology is better and more enjoyable, and how obsessed other people may be with social media isn't really my concern. For example, if someone wants to spend hours of their hike taking selfies for Instagram, that's their experience to ruin and not mine!

As far as parenting goes - I will be a part-time stay at home dad. I don't really care if it impacts my career (it won't). I'm in a hot field, and can easily work on side projects to stay up to date in it.
 

Thebobo

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Jun 19, 2006
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OP overlooks all the bad parts about that time range; Jimmy Carter, casual racism and homophobia, disco, 8-track tapes, stupid clothing trends, avocado green and harvest gold appliances everywhere....

Oh the Carter sucks (because I was told he did) like the AL gore invented the internet garbage anyway take carter out and I would agree except I would add Ronald Reagan
 

preCRT

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Cannot include 1968 as a best year, both Bobby Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr were assassinated. Folks who were forced, drafted against their will, ended up in Nam and thousands were killed there. Tricky Dick was elected.
 

Zeze

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Mar 4, 2011
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I think reminiscing about good ol' days in US is mostly a white privilege.

Blacks/hispanics/asians/etc don't have the fondest memory of old days in US.

I still remember this senile sub teacher in HS told me to 'go back to my country' in 90s'. No one did jack crap back then and casual & serious racism were rampant.
 

Thebobo

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Nostalgia is overrated. The world is better than it has ever been right now.

Depends on who you are. If you ask one of the americans in Jail for smoking a plant and the US with having the highest incarceration rate in the world I would say no.
 
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snoopy7548

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I think I just wish I had no responsibilities, free food, free clothes, free housing, all the time to play videogames, watch TV, ride my bike, and read comics, and a dog that somebody else took care of... i.e. be a kid again. That's all nostalgia is - the desire to be lazy.
 

Vindris

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Depends on who you are. If you ask one of the americans in Jail for smoking a plant and the US with having the highest incarceration rate in the world I would say no.

I would love to smoke weed, but it's illegal, and I have no real need to, so I don't. Weed should be legalized IMO, but it's not. Deal with it or risk it. That was their personal choice. I don't think 2018 is any worse because some guy made the foolish decision to smart smoking weed, and then was stupid enough to get caught for it.
 

ImpulsE69

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I think reminiscing about good ol' days in US is mostly a white privilege.

Blacks/hispanics/asians/etc don't have the fondest memory of old days in US.

I still remember this senile sub teacher in HS told me to 'go back to my country' in 90s'. No one did jack crap back then and casual & serious racism were rampant.

This is stated quite a bit, yet it never stopped them all from coming here (well other than the slave descendants). I mean, just saying, no one was forcing hispanics or asians into the country. I'll give you the blacks and women and gays.
 

gorcorps

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I think reminiscing about good ol' days in US is mostly a white privilege.

I think it's something that comes with age in general. Seems like the older people get, the more common the thought is that "things were better in MY day, this country has gone to SHIT!" No it hasn't, you're just old and bitter and life didn't turn out the way you wanted it (as is true for many people). Once you're past the point of no return and you realize you've peaked in your life, anger sets in... especially if you weren't as successful as you wanted to be and now it's too late.

Yeah, I'm getting older and responsibility sucks... so do the doctor bills that I never used to have. I'm sore after dealing with a full day yardwork that I hate more than any other chore I have, and while I have the money to buy video games I certainly don't have the time to play them... and I don't even have a kid yet. But life is still quite a bit better now than at almost any other point in my life, and hopefully it continues to get better as long as the wife and I keep on our path of being less fat so there's less health issues.
 
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