Can Trump use presidency to make business deals

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From a legal point, is Trump allowed to use the presidency to make business deals to enrich himself, his Trump Organisation or relatives? What exactly are the laws and potential punishments on this?
 

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From a legal point, is Trump allowed to use the presidency to make business deals to enrich himself, his Trump Organisation or relatives? What exactly are the laws and potential punishments on this?

No. That is why he signed over control of the Trump organization to his kids. So far, he has not taken any salary, as president, as he's donated all his pay. He is not and cannot be involved in the day to day operations of his company, nor can he even personally use his air fleet.
 
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shortylickens

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NO!

Its fucking illegal. And even if you didnt know it was illegal it should SOUND illegal to you.
 

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They make money after their presidency, by getting another family member appointed to important positions, like secretary of state, then going out on speaking tours to raise money, in exchange for influence. And they write books, create foundations, etc.
 
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They make money after their presidency, by getting another family member appointed to important positions, like secretary of state, then going out on speaking tours to raise money, in exchange for influence. And they write books, create foundations, etc.

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They make money after their presidency, by getting another family member appointed to important positions, like secretary of state, then going out on speaking tours to raise money, in exchange for influence. And they write books, create foundations, etc.

Well Trump won't have any need for that stuff since he has already appointed his family members to important positions and sent them out to meetings in exchange for influence.
 

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Well Trump won't have any need for that stuff since he has already appointed his family members to important positions and sent them out to meetings in exchange for influence.

You are so much fun. Don't ever change. Trump has no high level cabinet members, who are family. Stop with the delusional bat crap.
 
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Yeah, I can. The familia has influence. What rich families don't? What about the Kennedy family?
You’d think after the Kennedy family they’d have passed a law against nepotism. They could even call it the Bobby Kennedy Law informally. Has a certain ring to it.
 
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No, of course not. He has divested himself from all of his business dealings. This news conference showing all of the documents proved it:

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No. That is why he signed over control of the Trump organization to his kids. So far, he has not taken any salary, as president, as he's donated all his pay. He is not and cannot be involved in the day to day operations of his company, nor can he even personally use his air fleet.

He also can't use his office to enrich himself personally such as making deals with China in a half billion dollar deal. That he can't benefit from it until later doesn't matter. "Signed over control"- That's a curious thing. He allows others to make decisions is not the same thing as putting his business interests in trust where he cannot participate in his businesses while in office. His "good will" is his only barrier against acting in self-interest.
 

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No. That is why he signed over control of the Trump organization to his kids. So far, he has not taken any salary, as president, as he's donated all his pay. He is not and cannot be involved in the day to day operations of his company, nor can he even personally use his air fleet.

His kids are coordinating closely with him so let’s not pretend they are actually separate. By all indications Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself. This is why we need Democrats to win the House so we can compel release of his tax returns so we can find out who may be putting money in his pocket.

I hope you’re at least with us on supporting forcing Trump to release his taxes. If he’s not corrupt then we will see. If his is corrupt as I think we all strongly suspect, this will help enable his future prosecution.
 

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From a legal point, is Trump allowed to use the presidency to make business deals to enrich himself, his Trump Organisation or relatives? What exactly are the laws and potential punishments on this?
I guess the realistic answer is yes. If no one stops or stands up to him, he can get away with pretty much anything.
Down the rabbit hole we go :).
 

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His kids are coordinating closely with him so let’s not pretend they are actually separate. By all indications Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself. This is why we need Democrats to win the House so we can compel release of his tax returns so we can find out who may be putting money in his pocket.

I hope you’re at least with us on supporting forcing Trump to release his taxes. If he’s not corrupt then we will see. If his is corrupt as I think we all strongly suspect, this will help enable his future prosecution.

Where's Elliot Ness and the Untouchables when we need em?
 

dank69

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Of course he can. There are multiple examples of Trump doing just that right now and the GOP controlled Congress has shown zero interest in stopping it.
 

fskimospy

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Of course he can. There are multiple examples of Trump doing just that right now and the GOP controlled Congress has shown zero interest in stopping it.

I mean the guy runs a hotel down the street from the White House where foreign governments can bribe him directly.
 

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Foreign emoluments clause:
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Domestic:
The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

The language of the day when writing the Constitution is a little hard for us, but basically it's clear that the founders expressly forbade the President from using the office for personal gain.

Can Trump do it? Well only Congress has the power to enforce these clauses.
 
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Vic

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I mean the guy runs a hotel down the street from the White House where foreign governments can bribe him directly.
And spends nearly every weekend at his own resort, with his staff and Secret Service detail filling the rooms, all expenses paid for by the taxpayers and going directly into his pockets.
 

Jhhnn

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And spends nearly every weekend at his own resort, with his staff and Secret Service detail filling the rooms, all expenses paid for by the taxpayers and going directly into his pockets.

It's good to be King!
 

tweaker2

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Trump is being himself in every single way he can and he's making a point of it no matter who he hurts, no matter what others advise him to do. The only thing he holds dear is what gives him the power to do what he likes and that's the folks that gave it to him in the voting booths. He'll take care of them for sure.

That being said, he has always been about enriching himself. It's what he's being doing all his adult life. It's hard wired in. Ergo, the narcissist in him seals the deal as far as his taking advantage of his position of power in order to enrich himself every way he can before his term is up.

Trump simply can't help himself. The opportunities for enriching himself while POTUS are just too many and too juicy to ignore.
 

fskimospy

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And spends nearly every weekend at his own resort, with his staff and Secret Service detail filling the rooms, all expenses paid for by the taxpayers and going directly into his pockets.

It is truly amazing. It’s a weird feeling to know you’re living in truly extraordinary times that will be talked about in the future. The only question is if we talk about Trump as Nixon 2.0 or if it’s a talk about how our system collapsed.