Can this radiator still be used?

Valantar

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Note: all pictures are in Spoiler brackets just to keep the post from becoming insurmountably long.

So I have this old 120mm copper radiator lying around. I got it as part of a kit a long, long time ago, and stopped using it when I at one point had a leak (totally my fault, in hindsight). I drained it, and put it in a box. Didn't even consider that I had to thoroughly dry it out and seal the ports. I even left the fittings in. Pulled it out before christmas to see if it could be used in an upcoming build, and - surprise, surprise - it's heavily corroded. I didn't have the wherewithal to get a proper picture inside the rad at that point (not to mention that that's really, really difficult), but it didn't look good. The fittings looked like this:
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Yep, that's pretty bad. The fittings have been discarded, btw.

So after reading around a bit, I found that the best/most commonly available solution for corrosion removal was flushig it out with vinegar. People seemed to recommend a mix of 1 part vinegar to 2-3 parts water. So I decided to try that. 1 part vinegar, 2 parts boiling water. Let it sit for a few minutes, shaking the rad to get the liquid moving.
The liquid that came out looked like this:
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A lot of blue copper oxide, a lot of sediment. Fair enough. The rad now looked like this:
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(Sorry for the awful image quality.) Still a lot of white corrosion visible, especially on the channels. Time for a few more rounds of flushing. I did four total, the third I let sit for ~30 minutes in a bath of hot water (unsurprisingly, shaking a radiator filled with hot liquid around cools it off pretty quickly). The fourth was "pure" white vinegar (well, 7% vinegar) heated to nearly boiling, also soaked for ~20-30 minutes.
The result:
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Flush 1 through 4, left to right.
Inside the rad:
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The last flush showed far, far less sediment:
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Better, but not perfect. Not sure how much more I can do for this.

The question now is: can I use this rad? Will it contaminate the loop? Will it clog up my water blocks with corroded gunk?

I hooked it up to my pump and ran water through it for a little while, and after draining it some white particles were visible in the tubing and reservoir. Not a lot, but clearly visible.

I read about gas stations selling some sort of chemical radiator cleaner, but I haven't been able to find it (as I don't have a car, I don't often visit gas stations either ...).

And yeah, I know I sound like a cheapskate. A new 120mm rad isn't expensive. It's just that I'm already spending north of $250 on my water cooling setup, and my budget is already stretched (largely thanks to buying a Ryzen 7 1700X ...), so avoiding spending another $50 on cooling would be nice.
 

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Can it be used?
Yes, as long as its not leaking i see why not, you just need to flush it til you see no particulate, because that is the big issue especially when it comes to pump impellers + waterblock channels.

No gas station?
Bah... you got an amazon account?
https://www.amazon.com/22-Oz-Radiat...89103119&sr=8-2&keywords=prestone+super+flush

Basically i would follow instructions in regards to dilution.
Fill rad, and let it sit for about 15-20 min, so whatever sediment u had will get lossened up.
Empty... and fill again 3/4 full..
Plug both inlets on rad and give it a good shake... pour empty.
Repeat until you see no particulate.

Connect radiator to water faucet, let tap water flush out the chemicals. (basically let it run for a couple of minutes.)

Remember not to plug the outlet when you do this, as the city's 60psi+ water supply can do nasty things to radiator channels if you have the outlet plug'd.

Fill radiator with Distilled water, empty. (repeat a couple times to make sure you have no chemicals left over in radiator)

The water should empty clean... and your ready to go.
 
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Valantar

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Can it be used?
Yes, as long as its not leaking i see why not, you just need to flush it til you see no particulate, because that is the big issue especially when it comes to pump impellers + waterblock channels.

No gas station?
Bah... you got an amazon account?
https://www.amazon.com/22-Oz-Radiat...89103119&sr=8-2&keywords=prestone+super+flush

Basically i would follow instructions in regards to dilution.
Fill rad, and let it sit for about 15-20 min, so whatever sediment u had will get lossened up.
Empty... and fill again 3/4 full..
Plug both inlets on rad and give it a good shake... pour empty.
Repeat until you see no particulate.

Connect radiator to water faucet, let tap water flush out the chemicals. (basically let it run for a couple of minutes.)

Remember not to plug the outlet when you do this, as the city's 60psi+ water supply can do nasty things to radiator channels if you have the outlet plug'd.

Fill radiator with Distilled water, empty. (repeat a couple times to make sure you have no chemicals left over in radiator)

The water should empty clean... and your ready to go.
Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't ship (corrosive?) chemicals internationally. Go figure :p

Still, I suppose I'll take the 5 minute detour by the nearest gas station next time I go grocery shopping.
 

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If you have no corrosion but you have bluish/greenish stuff here and there... can that or is that caused by too much PT NUKE PHN, You know the clear liquid version?
 
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If you have no corrosion but you have bluish/greenish stuff here and there... can that or is that caused by too much PT NUKE PHN, You know the clear liquid version?
Uhm ... corroded copper is a bluish greenish colour. Like so. And as stated quite clearly in the OP, the radiator had been lying unsealed in a box for years. Any liquid in there would have evaporated ages ago, whether it was biocide or water.
 

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I stopped by the gas station today, and they had this, so I bought a can of it. The label says to dump it all in the radiator, fill up with water, start your engine and let it idle for 10 minutes with the heater running. As those instructions are a bad fit for a 120mm PC radiator - and I'm not getting this stuff anywhere near my pump, no way! - I decided to try my hand at figuring it out myself. I put a little bit in there, filled it up with boiling water (I'd guesstimate the ratio to be somewhere arund 1:10), sealed the rad with some G1/4 blanks, put it in a plastic tub and covered the whole thing with boiling water. That should keep it hot for a while, at least. I'll let it soak for 30 minutes or so. Circulation can't be helped, unfortunately, but I'll do another go afterwards with less water and more shaking.
Some "before" pics for your pleasure (new phone, so better pics, hooray!):
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Edit: two rounds into this experiment now, and this stuff seems to be doing what it says on the can. What came out after the first go (~30 minute soak, no shaking):
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This is what the inside of the rad looked like after that. From poking some of the visible corrosion on the channels, it was now ... goopy. Some pics after a quick flush from the tap (I tried using a macro lens on my phone, but there's no way to get enough light into the rad to see anything then):
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Time for some tough love. Slightly less full this time (2/3 to 3/4), and probably a slightly stronger mixture. Five minutes of shaking it around resulted in this coming out:
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That's clearly less gunk, which I'm taking as a good sign. I'm doing one more run: 30 minutes soaking, then shaking around. And a far stronger mix this time - more like 50-50. We'll see how that goes.

Edit2: I think I'll call this good enough. The last round (30 min soak + lots and lots of shaking around) resulted in this much gunk:
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I'll say that's good enough after a thorough rinse. Also, I gave up on taking usable pictures inside the rad. It's just too difficult. It looks better, though. Still a mess, but better. And nearly gunk-free! Now it's on to leak testing ...
 
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Uhm ... corroded copper is a bluish greenish colour. Like so. And as stated quite clearly in the OP, the radiator had been lying unsealed in a box for years. Any liquid in there would have evaporated ages ago, whether it was biocide or water.
Yes, Sorry about that, it was more of a personal question. I had blue stuff on top of nickel plating on some parts. I was just wondering if I used too much resulting in a stain as opposed to corrosion. I guess I'll need to examine them and see if it's something I can remove.