Can someone please tell me what "Plausible Deniability" means?

[Draco]

I've got the Deniability part, but the definition of "Plausible" is confusing to me...

I TUPID!

 

[Beau]

dictionary.com

plau·si·ble Pronunciation Key (plôz-bl)
adj.
Seemingly or apparently valid, likely, or acceptable; credible: a plausible excuse.
Giving a deceptive impression of truth or reliability.
Disingenuously smooth; fast-talking: ?Ambitious, unscrupulous, energetic,... and plausible,a political gladiator, ready for a ?set-to? in any crowd? (Frederick Douglass).

 

[HellRaiserandBeerDrinker]

Just watch Bush- the thief

he majors in this ploy

 

[The Dancing Peacock]

I remember it being used in Independence Day.

If you don't know about something, say the existence of alien life on Earth. Someone asks you about it, you will truthfully answer, No I don't know anything about it.

That is plausible deniability. You're not lying, because you didn't know.

 

[HellRaiserandBeerDrinker]

That scene in Independence Day was absolutely perfect.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Let's take the Homeland Security Agency Plan . . .

Bush "supposedly" assigned the task to a small cadre several months ago but Cheney apparently has been thinking about it since Campaign 2000.

B/C this secret bureaucrat (technically only Cheney was elected) working group kept everything under wraps almost everyone else has plausible deniability . . . except:

1) Bush: He fervently maintained that Ridge had all the authority he needed and could effectively manage his office/responsibilities without a Cabinet level post or budget authority. In light of recent events, Bush is either demented (amnesia), pathological liar, or delusional.

2) Cheney: I believe he was part of the working group so he's either demented (amnesia), pathological liar, or delusional.

3) The other members of the working group

4) Ridge: How could he not be involved in the development of the agency he will lead?

EDIT: For those offended by "pathological liar" please substitute "difficulty with telling the truth" or "lies but has a really good reason".

 

[philmacrevis]

Originally posted by: HellRaiserandBeerDrinker
Just watch Bush- the thief

he majors in this ploy

Or watch archives of Bill C - the pervert

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: philmacrevis

Originally posted by: HellRaiserandBeerDrinker
Just watch Bush- the thief

he majors in this ploy

Or watch archives of Bill C - the pervert

Excellent comeback...


I'd rather be known as someone who beat a retard getting into office than someone who screwed one and lied while already there.

 

[UltraQuiet]

1) Bush: He fervently maintained that Ridge had all the authority he needed and could effectively manage his office/responsibilities without a Cabinet level post or budget authority. In light of recent events, Bush is either demented (amnesia), pathological liar, or delusional

You're reaching. It's possible/probable he just changed his mind, made a deal with the Dems or someone put one those body snatcher pods under his bed. Where did you read/hear that Cheney had been thinking of this since the campaign.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Let's take the Homeland Security Agency Plan . . .

Bush "supposedly" assigned the task to a small cadre several months ago but Cheney apparently has been thinking about it since Campaign 2000.

B/C this secret bureaucrat (technically only Cheney was elected) working group kept everything under wraps almost everyone else has plausible deniability . . . except:

1) Bush: He fervently maintained that Ridge had all the authority he needed and could effectively manage his office/responsibilities without a Cabinet level post or budget authority. In light of recent events, Bush is either demented (amnesia), pathological liar, or delusional.

2) Cheney: I believe he was part of the working group so he's either demented (amnesia), pathological liar, or delusional.

3) The other members of the working group

4) Ridge: How could he not be involved in the development of the agency he will lead?

EDIT: For those offended by "pathological liar" please substitute "difficulty with telling the truth" or "lies but has a really good reason".

Maybe you could clear that up a bit. It makes no sense whatsoever. Where does this plausible deniablilty come into play?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Or watch archives of Bill C - the pervert

Clinton is a poor example of plausible deniability. He's a policy wonk, intelligent, and legendary for lying. The baseline assumption would be that he probably knows, and if not, he should have known.

I'd rather be known as someone who beat a retard getting into office than someone who screwed one and lied while already there.

Bush is an excellent example of plausible deniability. He's not into details (granted he doesn't have any big ideas either), not particularly intelligent or intellectual curious, and . . . he's simple. The baseline assumption is that he doesn't know and even if you told him he won't understand.

GHWB ran the CIA. He knows. He knows everybody else that knows.

Reagan was significantly more intelligent than W, maybe. He was not into details but he did have a few ideas. So he could deny WHAT or HOW something happened but he probably knew WHY (purpose). For those of you unaware about Alzheimer disease . . . Reagan's dementia was significant during his presidency. At baseline he might know but often forgot. And if he wasn't suppose to know he would forget with greater efficacy.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

You're reaching. It's possible/probable he just changed his mind, made a deal with the Dems or someone put one those body snatcher pods under his bed. Where did you read/hear that Cheney had been thinking of this since the campaign.

I don't think it's much of a reach, Dave. Bush has not wavered in his support for Ridge or his ability to facilitate homeland security in its current incarnation. Ari said this plan has been in the works for a long time and the working group was appointed the task by the Prez himself. So either we're dealing with Biblical chronology or Bush/Ridge/Cheney have been fibbing.

I can believe Bush changed his mind. But I believe Clinton changed his mind quite often. Clinton would also lie through his teeth on occasion. W . . .

According to working group info (I heard) they used various resources including legislative concepts developed by Warren Rudman. Now, I like the old dog (Rudman) as much as anybody but it appears Bush et al sought more consult with fossilized senators than current legislators . . . especially Democrats.

Info: July 10 WSJ
CNN

 

[UltraQuiet]

BBD- maybe were dancing around the same hat here. My understanding is that the working group was put together about the same time Ridge was appointed. W has been pretty adamant about not having him be a SEC for reasons I would characterize as half valid. It is now possible, although no reason has been given, that the working group's finding's are that the best way to do this thing is for it to be at Cabinet level leadership. Time will tell if this will help anything. It's been a long time since additional goverment has made anything more efficient ( except spending money).

I think a good example of plausible deniability was when Bush Sr. and Reagan said they didn't know what Oliie North was up to.