Can someone explain Harry Potter POA(possible spoilers)

[Psyber]

I wasn't paying attention (or I didn't understand because of an accent) how Sirius Black, Peter Pettigrew, and that dark arts teacher are related.

This is what I do understand. I think they were all friends of Harry's parents and they(Harry and everyone else) thought Sirius Black helped Voldimort kill his parents, but it was really Peter Pettigrew that helped Voldimort... if this is the case, how come the dark arts teacher told Siruis to kill Harry? What did they try to kill Harry? How does the Dark arts teacher fit in all this?

confused, confused, confused and I didn't read the books because I was supposed to borrow them from a friend, but still haven't gotten them after 2 years.

Psyber

Thanks Guys!

see rgwalt's explanation below.

 

[Wooglin]

Yes you are confused. He didn't tell Sirius to kill Harry.

What they cut out was all of them including snape were childhood friends at Hogwarts.

Also, when the potters went into hiding, it was thought black was the only one who knew where they were. In fact, It was peter pettigrew instead, who Voldemort convinced to tell him. It was Sirius's idea to have Peter be the keeper of their secret or whatever they called it, instead of him, since Sirius was the obvious choice.

That could have been confusing.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: Wooglin
Yes you are confused. He didn't tell Sirius to kill Harry.

What they cut out was all of them including snape were childhood friends at Hogwarts.

Also, when the potters went into hiding, it was thought black was the only one who knew where they were. In fact, It was peter pettigrew instead, who Voldemort convinced to tell him. It was Sirius's idea to have Peter be the keeper of their secret or whatever they called it, instead of him, since Sirius was the obvious choice.

That could have been confusing.

Snape wasn't a friend. Pettigrew, James Potter, Sirius Black, and Lupin were a group of friends. They used to pick on Snape because he's a know-it-all who would rat them out.

Other than that, the Voldemort convincing Pettigrew to sell the Potters out is true.

 

[Wooglin]

Originally posted by: BDawg

Originally posted by: Wooglin
Yes you are confused. He didn't tell Sirius to kill Harry.

What they cut out was all of them including snape were childhood friends at Hogwarts.

Also, when the potters went into hiding, it was thought black was the only one who knew where they were. In fact, It was peter pettigrew instead, who Voldemort convinced to tell him. It was Sirius's idea to have Peter be the keeper of their secret or whatever they called it, instead of him, since Sirius was the obvious choice.

That could have been confusing.

Snape wasn't a friend. Pettigrew, James Potter, Sirius Black, and Lupin were a group of friends. They used to pick on Snape because he's a know-it-all who would rat them out.

Other than that, the Voldemort convincing Pettigrew to sell the Potters out is true.

Yeah what he said. Snape resents them all. I blew it.

 

[isasir]

When Lupin said to 'kill him' to Sirius, was he referring to Pettigrew?

 

[rgwalt]

You probably didn't understand the dialogue in the shrieking shack. Lupin was telling Black to kill Petigrew, not Harry.

James Potter (JP) met his wife Lily (sister of Harry's aunt Petunia) while they were both at Hogwarts. James also met Sirius Black, Lupin, and Petigrew while at Hogwarts. Black and JP were very, very good friends, but they also ran around with Lupin and Petigrew. Lupin had been bitten by a werewolf as a child, but Dumbledore let him attend Hogwarts anyway. Once a month, Lupin would go to the shrieking shack in Hogsmead via the secret tunnel under the whomping willow, and he would turn into a werewolf. JP, Black, and Petigrew figured out what was going on, and became animagi to keep Lupin company as a werewolf. No one knew that Black turned into a shaggy dog, James Potter turned into a stag, and Petigrew turned into a rat. Normally before becoming an animagi, a wizard must register with the Ministry of Magic for two reasons: a) becoming an animagi is extremely dangerous; b) so they can be identified even in their animal form.

Once James and Lily Potter realized that Voldemort was coming after them, they performed a complex charm which would hide their location. The only way a person could find them is if their "secret keeper" told their location to that person. Most of James and Lily's friends knew that Sirius was going to be their secret keeper, but at the last minute they changed to Petigrew. The only people that knew that they changed were Petigrew, Sirius, James, and Lily. Problem was that Petigrew was in leauge with Voldemort, and he told Voldemort where James and Lily were. Voldemort then went and killed both of them, and tried to kill Harry. Voldemort's curse backfired when he attacked Harry, almost destroying him.

Everyone in the wizarding world assumed that Sirius Black had sold out the Potters to Voldemort, when it was actually Peter Petigrew. Sirius knew he was headed for Azkaban unless he found Petigrew. Once Sirius caught up with Petigrew, Petigrew blew up a street full of Muggles and made it look like Sirius's fault. Petigrew also made it look like he was killed and all that was left behind was a finger. What really happened was that in the chaos, Petigrew cut off his own finger and changed into a rat to escape. He ended up living with a wizarding family (the Weaslys) for years.

The Weaslys won a large amount of prize money, and used the money to take a trip to Egypt. Their photo was taken for the Daily Prophet. Black was able to get a copy of the paper from Fudge (the Minister of Magic) when Fudge was visiting Azkaban. He saw the picture, recognized Scabbers as Petigrew, and broke out of Azkaban to hunt him down. People assumed Sirius was after Harry when he was actually after Petigrew.

BTW, the Maurader's Map was written by Moony (Lupin), Wormtail (Petigrew), Padfoot (Sirius Black), and Prongs (James Potter).

R

 

[Dracos]

Yes he was refering to Pettigrew....

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: isasir
When Lupin said to 'kill him' to Sirius, was he referring to Pettigrew?

Yes.

R

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: rgwalt
You probably didn't understand the dialogue in the shrieking shack. Lupin was telling Black to kill Petigrew, not Harry.

James Potter (JP) met his wife Lily (sister of Harry's aunt Petunia) while they were both at Hogwarts. James also met Sirius Black, Lupin, and Petigrew while at Hogwarts. Black and JP were very, very good friends, but they also ran around with Lupin and Petigrew. Lupin had been bitten by a werewolf as a child, but Dumbledore let him attend Hogwarts anyway. Once a month, Lupin would go to the shrieking shack in Hogsmead via the secret tunnel under the whomping willow, and he would turn into a werewolf. JP, Black, and Petigrew figured out what was going on, and became animagi to keep Lupin company as a werewolf. No one knew that Black turned into a shaggy dog, James Potter turned into a stag, and Petigrew turned into a rat. Normally before becoming an animagi, a wizard must register with the Ministry of Magic for two reasons: a) becoming an animagi is extremely dangerous; b) so they can be identified even in their animal form.


R

That's a lot more detail than I was willing to type.

 

[rgwalt]

If you are still confused, just sit down and read the books, starting with book 1. The books give way more story than the movie could ever hope to. The first two movies were fairly accurate, but there were several major deviations in the third movie. Some of the deviations I liked, but for the most part I wish they would have stuck wtih the book.

R

 

[Dracos]

I can't believe how much they left out of this movie. Alot of critics are saying this is the best Harry Potter movie. I didn't really like it all I found the other 2 movies to be better.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I read that they're going to relate the story of the names on the Marauder's Map in a later movie. For some reason they seem to think they can make it more of a 'dramatic' moment or something.

 

[Dracos]

Originally posted by: rgwalt
If you are still confused, just sit down and read the books, starting with book 1. The books give way more story than the movie could ever hope to. The first two movies were fairly accurate, but there were several major deviations in the third movie. Some of the deviations I liked, but for the most part I wish they would have stuck wtih the book.

R

I think them leaving out that news reporter was a bad idea. Too bad they don't have extended versions like LOTR.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: Dracos

Originally posted by: rgwalt
If you are still confused, just sit down and read the books, starting with book 1. The books give way more story than the movie could ever hope to. The first two movies were fairly accurate, but there were several major deviations in the third movie. Some of the deviations I liked, but for the most part I wish they would have stuck wtih the book.

R

I think them leaving out that news reporter was a bad idea. Too bad they don't have extended versions like LOTR.

I don't remember a reporter in the third book, and I just recently re-read it. Are you thinking of the reporter in the 4th book?

R

 

[isasir]

:thumbsup: rgwalt.

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Dracos

Originally posted by: rgwalt
If you are still confused, just sit down and read the books, starting with book 1. The books give way more story than the movie could ever hope to. The first two movies were fairly accurate, but there were several major deviations in the third movie. Some of the deviations I liked, but for the most part I wish they would have stuck wtih the book.

R

I think them leaving out that news reporter was a bad idea. Too bad they don't have extended versions like LOTR.

Wrong book my man. Rita Skeeter = GoF
Unless you're referring to some other reporter?

 

[Dracos]

Dammit 4th book....lord my mind is going...hahaha

 

[Fingolfin269]

I loved the third movie and am totally okay with any/all changes the director made. I really wish he was sticking around for the fourth!

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: Dracos
I can't believe how much they left out of this movie. Alot of critics are saying this is the best Harry Potter movie. I didn't really like it all I found the other 2 movies to be better.

The other two movies were more true to the books. I liked this movie better in some wasy because of the darker overtones, and because there were more small details that I felt enriched the overall feeling of Hogwarts. Did you notice that they changed the Hogwart's grounds? That bothered me. Also, the not-so-subtle hints towards a Ron-Hermione romance were not supposed to surface this early in the series.

R

 

[MrChad]

I was fine with the omissions in the third movie. The Potter books are far too long and detailed to fit into individual movies (unless the movies are 6 or 7 hours long). The director did cut out quite a bit, but what remained was nicely paced film with a coherent storyline that captured the important details from the book. Chamber of Secrets tried too hard to follow the book closely, and ended up being a disjointed mess in my opinion.

Film and books are two vastly different media, and storytelling techniques should adapt to best fit the media. Peter Jackson did this (very successfully) with the LOTR trilogy, and I hope that future Potter movies follow Prisoner of Azkaban's model.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: isasir
:thumbsup: rgwalt.

Thanks

I really love the Harry Potter series, but after reading everything I just wrote, I've realized that I REALLY need to find a girl friend.

R

 

[Dracos]

Originally posted by: rgwalt

Originally posted by: Dracos
I can't believe how much they left out of this movie. Alot of critics are saying this is the best Harry Potter movie. I didn't really like it all I found the other 2 movies to be better.

The other two movies were more true to the books. I liked this movie better in some wasy because of the darker overtones, and because there were more small details that I felt enriched the overall feeling of Hogwarts. Did you notice that they changed the Hogwart's grounds? That bothered me. Also, the not-so-subtle hints towards a Ron-Hermione romance were not supposed to surface this early in the series.

R

Hadn't noticed that they changed the grounds. I think I need to reread the books cause I haven't read them in over 2 years.....

 

[Fingolfin269]

Just remember this when complaining about the changes to the film. Unlike LotR, the author of these books is still around to oversee the film making process. All changes to the books and/or the layouts of the other movies (ex. HW grounds) were okay'd by JKR. If she said okay to the changes then I'm okay with the changes.

 

[Dracos]

True but as a fan of the book, I gotta find something to complain about. My kids enjoyed it and so did I to some extent. I just didn't like it as much as the first 2.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: rgwalt

Originally posted by: isasir
:thumbsup: rgwalt.

Thanks

I really love the Harry Potter series, but after reading everything I just wrote, I've realized that I REALLY need to find a girl friend.

R

You don't need to exclude HP when you're in a relationship. My wife and I buy 2 copies of the books when they come out so we don't fight over them and we were 3rd in line for PoA.