Can someone debunk this UFO pos

[Captante]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C. Clark


Seems appropriate here somehow.

 

[DigDog]

i am assuming that we cannot interact with anything outside of our reality. it would be nice if it was otherwise, but up to now only wild speculation hints this could be true.

 

[local]

We have reached so many milestones that people in the past have said would be impossible that I refuse to believe that FTL or some kind of interdimensional type travel is impossible. I'm sure 1,000 years ago all science said that radio would be impossible and 1,000 years from now we will look just as clueless.

 

[Thebobo]

We have reached so many milestones that people in the past have said would be impossible that I refuse to believe that FTL or some kind of interdimensional type travel is impossible. I'm sure 1,000 years ago all science said that radio would be impossible and 1,000 years from now we will look just as clueless.

Exactly, I would say in a hundred years.

 

[FeuerFrei]

I haven't followed any links in this thread, but I have some remarks on the topic of UFOs.

I've noticed no one had abduction experiences until mankind conceived the alien myth. So that tells me the freaky encounters are basically demonic in origin, as demons' modus operandi is inducing fear. I guess it empowers them somehow. Posing as otherworldly life forms is a surefire recipe for fearfulness.

Anyway, some UFO sightings are due to classified testing of advanced technology by various nations. Can't hide everything all the time from everyone.

Thirdly, some unexplained sky lights, e.g., glowing orbs that zoom about or fly formation, are actually sightings of pterosaurs with bioluminescent features. Being nocturnal, the creature is rarely seen, just the light in its tail it emits occasionally. Even if seen no one reports it because people will call them crazy. Don't know if they fly in formation or in sync, but hey, some birds do.

 

[Fritzo]

A UFO doesn't mean "alien spacecraft", it means "an object that's in the air and not identified". While alien contact is HIGHLY unlikely, it also can't be ruled out until every piece of evidence is identified.

Alien alloys and soforth are a bit out there. We would have to prove an alloy is something we could not make or replicate here on Earth to prove that, and even that's not 100% certain. Damascus steel is an example of an alloy that had amazing properties, was created long ago, and we have no idea how to replicate it to this day.

 

[SMOGZINN]

We have reached so many milestones that people in the past have said would be impossible that I refuse to believe that FTL or some kind of interdimensional type travel is impossible. I'm sure 1,000 years ago all science said that radio would be impossible and 1,000 years from now we will look just as clueless.

Scientific knowledge is exponential in nature. We now know billion of times more information than we did just a hundred years ago. Your first instinct is to say that means we will know hundreds of trillions times more in another hundred years, and you would be right. But none of that is likely to contradict what we know now, it will refine what we know. And what we know is that FTL travel is highly unlikely. Maybe not impossible, but the energy requirements almost certainly make it not practical.

You might as well be saying that you won't rule out us figuring out how the make square triangles, because we don't know everything yet.

 

[Darwin333]

"...researching the possible existence of UFOs"

Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Of course they exist. Sometimes, they are later identified and cease to be "unidentified." Some have not been identified. The program was to research and identify them.

That is the thing that most people don't get. By definition, they are unidentified objects but people always jump straight to aliens! No idiot, if we knew it was aliens it wouldn't be unidentified.

 

[Darwin333]

But not much higher. The fact is it looks a whole lot like FTL travel is either not possible or not practical. There are still a few outside possibilities for FTL travel, but even those take the sort of energy reserved to neutron stars slamming together. Not the sort of thing any civilization is ever going to be able to harness on a regular basis.

That is a rather bold thing to say. Sure it seems that way based on our current understanding but in the grand scheme of the universe there is very likely more that we don't know than we currently do know. Hell we don't even know what makes up the vast majority of the universe.

 

[SMOGZINN]

That is a rather bold thing to say. Sure it seems that way based on our current understanding but in the grand scheme of the universe there is very likely more that we don't know than we currently do know. Hell we don't even know what makes up the vast majority of the universe.

Actually we do know what makes up the vast majority of the universe. We haven't found it yet, but we have a pretty good idea what properties it must have, and even know where to look for it. That is exactly what I am talking about. A hundred years ago we were still working on the framework of how the universe worked. Today we have that framework and it guides our research. We know enough now to know how much we don't know. Now we are now filling in the holes. We are not really making new discoveries, we are refining things we already know about. We no longer discover new laws of physics, we refine the ones we have already discovered. Knowledge is a bell curve, and we are now on the downward slope.

I think It is entirely possible that if we don't destroy ourselves first, we will know everything that is knowable in the next 100 years.

 

[Printer Bandit]

 

[DigDog]

I refuse to believe that FTL or some kind of interdimensional type travel is impossible.

i'm not saying it's impossible; it's impossible according to what we know today. within our universe, nothing can travel faster than C, and that's the end of the story. However, we *might* be able to circumvert this rule *if* we can interact with other parts of reality which exist *not* in our universe.

 

[Thebobo]

Given the technology in the future wonder how much memory it would take to hold all the information if you were able to scan lets say a mouse down to the atomic level and store it. If you had that technology you could resemble (think 3d printer) the mouse. I believe we will have the technology in the future.

 

[local]

i'm not saying it's impossible; it's impossible according to what we know today. within our universe, nothing can travel faster than C, and that's the end of the story. However, we *might* be able to circumvert this rule *if* we can interact with other parts of reality which exist *not* in our universe.

Yes I don't necessarily mean actual travel FTL but reaching a destination FTL, by any means in any way.

 

[Darwin333]

Actually we do know what makes up the vast majority of the universe. We haven't found it yet, but we have a pretty good idea what properties it must have, and even know where to look for it. That is exactly what I am talking about. A hundred years ago we were still working on the framework of how the universe worked. Today we have that framework and it guides our research. We know enough now to know how much we don't know. Now we are now filling in the holes. We are not really making new discoveries, we are refining things we already know about. We no longer discover new laws of physics, we refine the ones we have already discovered. Knowledge is a bell curve, and we are now on the downward slope.

I think It is entirely possible that if we don't destroy ourselves first, we will know everything that is knowable in the next 100 years.

Rather recently it was a widely accepted theory that the expansion of the universe was slowing down, now we know otherwise. As far as us knowing what makes up the vast majority of the universe, the terms "dark" in dark matter and energy are basically place holders because we have no friggen idea of what they are. Sure we can guess what properties we think they should have but we have had some of our best minds working on it for quite a while and aren't really any closer to knowing what makes up 80% or so of the universe. There are plenty of new laws to be made, especially in the realm of quantum physics and mechanics, not to mention unifying it with relativity and stuff we have yet to even theorize. Hell gravity is still a theory.

I think it's outstandingly arrogant to say that it's even remotely likely that we will know everything that is knowable in the next hundred years. I personally don't think we will be even close.

 

[cytg111]

Aaaaand here we go

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...alien-alloys-in-the-new-york-times-ufo-story/

Point No. 3, though - those buildings full of alloys and other materials - that's a little harder to hand wave away. Is there really a DOD cache full of materials from out of this world?

One of the authors of the Times report, Ralph Blumenthal, had this to say on MSNBC about the alloys: "They have, as we reported in the paper, some material from these objects that is being studied so that scientists can find what accounts for their amazing properties, this technology of these objects, whatever they are." When asked what the materials were, Blumenthal responded, "They don't know. They're studying it, but it's some kind of compound that they don't recognize."

Here's the thing, though: The chemists and metallurgists Live Science spoke to - experts in identifying unusual alloys - don't buy it.

..............


In an email to Live Science regarding these metal alloys, Blumenthal said, "We printed as much as we were able to verify. Can't go beyond that."

In other words : Show us the compunds or bust story.

 

[mooncancook]

Exactly, I would say in a hundred years.

I'm not that optimistic. How long it's been since the Concord first took to the sky? Yet we still won't see any supersonic commercial flght in the near future. It still takes friggin 10+ hrs just to travel to Asia from America.

 

[cytg111]

I'm not that optimistic. How long it's been since the Concord first took to the sky? Yet we still won't see any supersonic commercial flght in the near future. It still takes friggin 10+ hrs just to travel to Asia from America.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/spacex-elon-musk-mars-moon-falcon/541566/

 

[Thebobo]

Interesting interview on Fox with the original pilot.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018...-leaders-to-take-threat-aliens-seriously.html

 

[SMOGZINN]

I am beginning to think this might be viral marketing for a movie.

 

[cytg111]

Weird. Very weird. Tracking them for two weeks prior? How can we fact check this guy?

 

[cytg111]

I am beginning to think this might be viral marketing for a movie.

And that movie is really a campaign to prepare us for the REAL encounter.
Anything else is just illogical.

 

[Zeze]

This is dubious. What's the source? Sounds too fancy and scifi thriller to be true (esp those crazy names at top)