Can someone be hypnotized to commit murder?

[Greenman]

We have another one in denial that can't bother to take a peek at all the evidence in this thread but probably has plenty of time to hit up the nef thread, watch twerk videos or TMZ to find out what honey boo boob is up to.

That's a good guess, it's wrong, but it's a good guess.
There is no evidence in this thread. Evidence is someone hypnotizing me. A fellow did that once, I told him I wasn't hypnotized, he claimed I was.

For the record, I don't believe I've ever posted in the nef thread, I've never watched a twerk video (stupidest thing on earth), and I've never seen an episode of honey boo boo.

 

[Greenman]

Seems far fetched? So does quantum mechanics. Doesn't make it any less real. You don't have any experience with it so it's non-intuitive and seems unreal. Guess what seems real to religious folks? Things that aren't real. That's because they've been trained to think so. Look I get it. Humans are bad at gauging reality. Abysmally bad. Especially when they go with their "gut" feeling or try to imagine it rather than using the scientific method.

So what we have here is a debate based entirely on your own bias. Got it.

 

[BeeBoop]

People convert and do it in the name of religion all the time. So I'll say yes.

 

[disappoint]

That's a good guess, it's wrong, but it's a good guess.
There is no evidence in this thread. Evidence is someone hypnotizing me. A fellow did that once, I told him I wasn't hypnotized, he claimed I was.

Thats it? That's your argument? Let me demonstrate how terrible an argument you made.

Little Johnny didn't learn any math this week. Despite his teacher trying to teach him. Therefore teaching doesn't exist.

For the record, I don't believe I've ever posted in the nef thread, I've never watched a twerk video (stupidest thing on earth), and I've never seen an episode of honey boo boo.

Congratulations your IQ is likely to be at least 80.

 

[MongGrel]

TIME WARP !!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg-vgGuTD8A

 

[disappoint]

People convert and do it in the name of religion all the time. So I'll say yes.

I think that's probably brainwashing. If you take a look at the video in the OP, this goes beyond that. They take people and make them do things they would not normally do on their own.

Religious "brainwashing" might have some similarities, but those people are aware of what they are doing and they are doing what they want.

Sure in another set of circumstances with a different "programming", mindset, worldview, education, whatever you want to call it, they might look upon those acts as atrocious that they would do under religious indoctrination. It's similar in some ways that it exploits a flaw or set of flaws in the human mind, which reminds me of another great Derren Brown video where he demonstrates deindividuation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scOJqyiYVtk

 

[Greenman]

Thats it? That's your argument? Let me demonstrate how terrible an argument you made.

Little Johnny didn't learn any math this week. Despite his teacher trying to teach him. Therefore teaching doesn't exist.



Congratulations your IQ is likely to be at least 80.

Which would put it a solid 20 points above your's.

 

[SlitheryDee]

That's a good guess, it's wrong, but it's a good guess.
There is no evidence in this thread. Evidence is someone hypnotizing me. A fellow did that once, I told him I wasn't hypnotized, he claimed I was.

Whether you really believe in hypnotism or not, one thing that you have to consider is that a lot of people who were hypnotized claim to have no memory of the time during which they were hypnotized. The common story is that they also rarely believe that they were really hypnotized when they come out of it, but are only convinced because others were around to actually see them fall into a trance-like state and become compliant to the hypnotists suggestion. If there was no one else to verify what happened, you may have been hypnotized but be completely unaware of it. I'm not saying that's what happened, but since it's part of the hypnotism mythos you have to consider it a possibility, and that there would be no way for you to know for sure.

 

[SP33Demon]

While that could take place in some cases, it isn't always acting or playing along.

Quote:
"Hypnosis works and the empirical support is unequivocal in that regard. It really does help people," says Michael Yapko, PhD, a psychologist and fellow of the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/01/hypnosis.aspx

Seems far fetched? So does quantum mechanics. Doesn't make it any less real. You don't have any experience with it so it's non-intuitive and seems unreal. Guess what seems real to religious folks? Things that aren't real. That's because they've been trained to think so. Look I get it. Humans are bad at gauging reality. Abysmally bad. Especially when they go with their "gut" feeling or try to imagine it rather than using the scientific method.

3/10 for trolling effort. Quoting a study by someone who gets paid to say it works? gtfo. Slamming religious people for not providing evidence and then proceeding to do the same (outside of staged youtube videos)? /popcorn

 

[bunnyfubbles]

not without drugs

 

[WHAMPOM]

You've probably heard the myth that this is not possible because you can't make someone do something they would not normally do. But this might not be so true after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9J6O6soHA

Sirhan Sirhan has stated he was hypnotized to kill Robert F. Kennedy. Whether he was or wasn't isn't the issue but whether it can be done.

In this video hypnotist Derren Brown shows how it can be done.

I find how the human mind works, or in some cases doesn't as you would expect, fascinating.

So do you think it's possible to "program a killer"?

More about the episode, an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSw_jrxufB8

Audio commentary about the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3nVe9-ZDmU

I've come away convinced it might be possible. What say you?

In a 1950's study it was found 75% of people will torture someone to death if told to do so by an authority figure. Just join the Armed forces or a religion the percentage is much higher.

 

[disappoint]

3/10 for trolling effort. Quoting a study by someone who gets paid to say it works? gtfo. Slamming religious people for not providing evidence and then proceeding to do the same (outside of staged youtube videos)? /popcorn

So what if he works in that field? That means he's lying?

I never slammed religious people merely because they don't provide evidence. They have a long standing track record of making incredibly ridiculous claims with abysmally poor reasoning to back it up. In other words, what they say often makes no sense. If you're not going to provide evidence you should at least make sense.

That may not be enough to convince me of extraordinary claims, but at least I wouldn't view them as out of touch with reality delusional sheep or in the case of their leaders: liars, charlatans and scam artists.

 

[Greenman]

Why isn't hypnosis used throughout our society to solve all sorts of problems? Theft, rape murder, tax evasion, perjury, speeding, drug use, smoking, drinking, nail biting, and a nearly limitless host of other social ill's are all waiting to be hypnotized out of us. Set up a clinic and hypnotize fat people to stop eating and you could make $10k a day and never get out of bed before nine. This is utopia, this is the dream of humanity, and all we have to do is visit the hypnotist.
There is but one tiny little catch, it doesn't work.

 

[disappoint]

In a 1950's study it was found 75% of people will torture someone to death if told to do so by an authority figure. Just join the Armed forces or a religion the percentage is much higher.

What people are capable of in groups is nothing short of madness.
Mark my words one day there will be a religion that will resort to some of these techniques like deindividuation as shown in one of the videos I posted, if they haven't already. Everyone wearing the same uniform, or mask. It will wear off once they stop conforming and leave the group setting but while under the influence what insane thoughts they will support. I won't give away the ending but you see how quickly the spell was broken when it went too far at the end and something happened to the guy they didn't cause/couldn't anticipate.

People might like to think they are immune, too clever to fall for that kind of behavior, but our minds are similarly flawed. Only education on the subject has any hope of reducing the likelihood of such madness. But oh how some of our shepherds (leaders) would prefer we remain susceptible!

 

[disappoint]

Why isn't hypnosis used throughout our society to solve all sorts of problems? Theft, rape murder, tax evasion, perjury, speeding, drug use, smoking, drinking, nail biting, and a nearly limitless host of other social ill's are all waiting to be hypnotized out of us. Set up a clinic and hypnotize fat people to stop eating and you could make $10k a day and never get out of bed before nine. This is utopia, this is the dream of humanity, and all we have to do is visit the hypnotist.
There is but one tiny little catch, it doesn't work.

It doesn't work on everyone, and it doesn't work long term. Those problems are lifestyle problems. Short term solutions don't work on them, if a person is to stop bad behavior they have to change their mind on how they will live their life long term and stick with it. There are people that stop short term and then it becomes easier to stick with it, but it's still up to them if they are going to fall back into their old routine or start a new one.