Can somebody explain "No country for old men" to me?
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GiggleGirl
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this was a really good movie actually.... but the ending severely pissed me off. i HATED javier bardem... he was SO GOOD in this role its creepy. i wanted SO BAD for llewellen to make it through and live. so i was pissed that bardem gets away
There's this country. And in the country there's these old men. And the thing is, there isn't any room left for the old men in the country. So they left the country and went to Mexico and Canada. The End.
GiggleGirl
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but then the one guy came back from Mexico cause it was full see and death fvked him the fvk up.
rockyct
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People blame Hollywood for movies that aren't straightforward and leave room for interpretation. People also blame Hollywood for cookie cutter action/chick movies that follow the same storyline with only a couple changes in elements each time.
No Country for Old Men was not meant for the average moviegoer. They would think it is slow, vague, and disappointed in what small resolution there is. Each movie is made for an audience and this movie is for the film critic audience, and it pleased that audience very well. Die Hard 4 was made for the moviegoers who loved action movies, and it pleased that audience as well. Both movies fulfilled what their audience desired, so don't blame Hollywood for making them.
There are some movies you can never forget, as kid I saw Fellini's La Strada decades later I'm still think about it. "No country for old men" is one such movie its becoming more thought provoking as days goes by.
911paramedic
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Wow, never knew it was that deep.
My take on it was the world was changing and there was a new breed of evil out there that the Sheriff couldn't fathom. He watched this pure evil do it's thing but knew it would take a new type of lawman to deal with it.
So, my take was there was no place for old-school lawmen, so he retired like his father did. (Once the father realized the same thing.)
I'm waiting for the sequel, "No room on the mat for old gymnasts."
Pliablemoose
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Originally posted by: kindest
"NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN is an ALLEGORY.
The title is from the first line of Sailing to Byzantium by William Butler Yeats, a poet classically trained and considered by many to be the greatest 20th Century poet.
Anton Chigurh is a the robot. His hair style (hood-ish, shroud-ish) and black clothing suggest the robot. the robot kills the innocent as well as the guilty and has his own set of rules. When the witness to the high-rise killing asks, ?Are you going to kill me?? the robot answers, ?It depends. Do you see me?? When the kids on the bicycles help him after the car accident he tells them, ?You didn?t see me.? If you see the robot, you die; if not, you may live. Chigurh seems to come and go at will and seems to know where Moss is without trying very hard. His rules are his rules and they seem arbitrary and random. He is referred to by the sheriff as a ?ghost? and he seems to be able to go wherever he pleases.
the robot kills with a cattle stun gun, almost like a member of the clergy administering a cross to the forehead of a parishoner. the robot is often portrayed as a hooded figure with a scythe; in this case he?s a ?hooded? figure with a cattle stun gun.
Man is Llewellen Moss, part sinner, part saint. He is offered a deal with the robot when the robot offers to ignore his wife but take him. Instead, Llewellen challenges the robot and chooses declines the offer. This is straight Faustian bargaining. By declining the robot?s ?This is the best deal you?re gonna get? Moss signs not only his own the robot warrant but his wife?s, too.
Llewellen challenges the robot to a showdown and when his wife tells the sheriff, ?He won?t quit, neither. Never has.? the audience expects a later showdown because we?ve been trained to see the protagonist take on the antagonist at the climax of a story ? but before that can happen life?s randomness gets in the way and the Mexicans kill him. This is the major turn in the movie and the one that takes the sail out of the audience, which has been cheering for Man in his struggle against the robot without realizing it.
Free Will is Carla Jean. She chooses at the end of the film not to allow the robot to be random. She has a 50% chance of saving herself but chooses not to avail herself of the opportunity. She is the bravest of the lot, choosing to die by her own decision and not the randomness of the robot.
The sheriff is the philosopher trying to understand the universe. He cannot and is defeated by the robot in his attempt. At the movie?s end the Sheriff bemoans the fact that God never entered his life. One of God?s creatures, the robot, was in the Sheriff?s life but he didn?t realize it (see ?Scene with Sheriff? below). The story is the Sheriff?s, his quest to understand Life, and the dream he tells at the end of the movie explains that his own father, long dead, has gone before him into the darkness of the robot and awaits him.
Interesting parallel ? Moss pays money for a coat as he crosses into Mexico; Chigurh pays the kids money for a shirt after his accident. What is meant by that? Cannot be a coincidence.
Chigurh walking away from the accident at the end shows that the robot cannot be stopped. It will always walk the streets. It is a part of our existence forever.
Scene with the Sheriff and the robot at the same hotel room at the same time but the Sheriff does not see the robot. This scene is vital ? it solidifies the allegory. The Sheriff enters the room but does not see the robot and so he does not die. the robot sees the sheriff but chooses not to kill him because he?s not seen in return. This scene is the ?supernatural? scene which signals that we?ve watching an allegory, that what we?ve been watching is more than it appears.
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"NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN is an ALLEGORY.
The title is from the first line of Sailing to Byzantium by William Butler Yeats, a poet classically trained and considered by many to be the greatest 20th Century poet.
Anton Chigurh is a the robot. His hair style (hood-ish, shroud-ish) and black clothing suggest the robot. the robot kills the innocent as well as the guilty and has his own set of rules. When the witness to the high-rise killing asks, ?Are you going to kill me?? the robot answers, ?It depends. Do you see me?? When the kids on the bicycles help him after the car accident he tells them, ?You didn?t see me.? If you see the robot, you die; if not, you may live. Chigurh seems to come and go at will and seems to know where Moss is without trying very hard. His rules are his rules and they seem arbitrary and random. He is referred to by the sheriff as a ?ghost? and he seems to be able to go wherever he pleases.
the robot kills with a cattle stun gun, almost like a member of the clergy administering a cross to the forehead of a parishoner. the robot is often portrayed as a hooded figure with a scythe; in this case he?s a ?hooded? figure with a cattle stun gun.
Man is Llewellen Moss, part sinner, part saint. He is offered a deal with the robot when the robot offers to ignore his wife but take him. Instead, Llewellen challenges the robot and chooses declines the offer. This is straight Faustian bargaining. By declining the robot?s ?This is the best deal you?re gonna get? Moss signs not only his own the robot warrant but his wife?s, too.
Llewellen challenges the robot to a showdown and when his wife tells the sheriff, ?He won?t quit, neither. Never has.? the audience expects a later showdown because we?ve been trained to see the protagonist take on the antagonist at the climax of a story ? but before that can happen life?s randomness gets in the way and the Mexicans kill him. This is the major turn in the movie and the one that takes the sail out of the audience, which has been cheering for Man in his struggle against the robot without realizing it.
Free Will is Carla Jean. She chooses at the end of the film not to allow the robot to be random. She has a 50% chance of saving herself but chooses not to avail herself of the opportunity. She is the bravest of the lot, choosing to die by her own decision and not the randomness of the robot.
The sheriff is the philosopher trying to understand the universe. He cannot and is defeated by the robot in his attempt. At the movie?s end the Sheriff bemoans the fact that God never entered his life. One of God?s creatures, the robot, was in the Sheriff?s life but he didn?t realize it (see ?Scene with Sheriff? below). The story is the Sheriff?s, his quest to understand Life, and the dream he tells at the end of the movie explains that his own father, long dead, has gone before him into the darkness of the robot and awaits him.
Interesting parallel ? Moss pays money for a coat as he crosses into Mexico; Chigurh pays the kids money for a shirt after his accident. What is meant by that? Cannot be a coincidence.
Chigurh walking away from the accident at the end shows that the robot cannot be stopped. It will always walk the streets. It is a part of our existence forever.
Scene with the Sheriff and the robot at the same hotel room at the same time but the Sheriff does not see the robot. This scene is vital ? it solidifies the allegory. The Sheriff enters the room but does not see the robot and so he does not die. the robot sees the sheriff but chooses not to kill him because he?s not seen in return. This scene is the ?supernatural? scene which signals that we?ve watching an allegory, that what we?ve been watching is more than it appears.
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SpunkyJones
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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: kindest
"NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN is an ALLEGORY.
The title is from the first line of Sailing to Byzantium by William Butler Yeats, a poet classically trained and considered by many to be the greatest 20th Century poet.
Anton Chigurh is a the robot. His hair style (hood-ish, shroud-ish) and black clothing suggest the robot. the robot kills the innocent as well as the guilty and has his own set of rules. When the witness to the high-rise killing asks, ?Are you going to kill me?? the robot answers, ?It depends. Do you see me?? When the kids on the bicycles help him after the car accident he tells them, ?You didn?t see me.? If you see the robot, you die; if not, you may live. Chigurh seems to come and go at will and seems to know where Moss is without trying very hard. His rules are his rules and they seem arbitrary and random. He is referred to by the sheriff as a ?ghost? and he seems to be able to go wherever he pleases.
the robot kills with a cattle stun gun, almost like a member of the clergy administering a cross to the forehead of a parishoner. the robot is often portrayed as a hooded figure with a scythe; in this case he?s a ?hooded? figure with a cattle stun gun.
Man is Llewellen Moss, part sinner, part saint. He is offered a deal with the robot when the robot offers to ignore his wife but take him. Instead, Llewellen challenges the robot and chooses declines the offer. This is straight Faustian bargaining. By declining the robot?s ?This is the best deal you?re gonna get? Moss signs not only his own the robot warrant but his wife?s, too.
Llewellen challenges the robot to a showdown and when his wife tells the sheriff, ?He won?t quit, neither. Never has.? the audience expects a later showdown because we?ve been trained to see the protagonist take on the antagonist at the climax of a story ? but before that can happen life?s randomness gets in the way and the Mexicans kill him. This is the major turn in the movie and the one that takes the sail out of the audience, which has been cheering for Man in his struggle against the robot without realizing it.
Free Will is Carla Jean. She chooses at the end of the film not to allow the robot to be random. She has a 50% chance of saving herself but chooses not to avail herself of the opportunity. She is the bravest of the lot, choosing to die by her own decision and not the randomness of the robot.
The sheriff is the philosopher trying to understand the universe. He cannot and is defeated by the robot in his attempt. At the movie?s end the Sheriff bemoans the fact that God never entered his life. One of God?s creatures, the robot, was in the Sheriff?s life but he didn?t realize it (see ?Scene with Sheriff? below). The story is the Sheriff?s, his quest to understand Life, and the dream he tells at the end of the movie explains that his own father, long dead, has gone before him into the darkness of the robot and awaits him.
Interesting parallel ? Moss pays money for a coat as he crosses into Mexico; Chigurh pays the kids money for a shirt after his accident. What is meant by that? Cannot be a coincidence.
Chigurh walking away from the accident at the end shows that the robot cannot be stopped. It will always walk the streets. It is a part of our existence forever.
Scene with the Sheriff and the robot at the same hotel room at the same time but the Sheriff does not see the robot. This scene is vital ? it solidifies the allegory. The Sheriff enters the room but does not see the robot and so he does not die. the robot sees the sheriff but chooses not to kill him because he?s not seen in return. This scene is the ?supernatural? scene which signals that we?ve watching an allegory, that what we?ve been watching is more than it appears.
Fixed
OMGWTFGBQ!!!!! Its so obvious I can't believe I missed it, finaly this dam movie makes sense. :thumbsup:
meltdown75
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- Nov 17, 2004
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so was that basically a big silencer on the end of a shotgun? that gun was NUTS. what a great gun movie. this flick delivered.
onlyCOpunk
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It's not that kind of movie. Get to reading.
I swear to god, no one has an attention span longer than 30 seconds anymore.
Wow....670 words and it's too long? I wonder how you're going to cope with high school, at least after 10th grade, much less college, if this is too long.
This is no more than a page and a half in a paperback book......
Well, I guess there's always tech school.......wait, they read more than that in tech school, too....guess you're screwed.
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